[JustChris]

So I had a spare hour or so and took a look around a few places for a family sized 2nd/fun car.

Audi RS5 looked nice in Cheshire Oaks red, CF roof and a lot of options but the price....£86k

WTAF! They did have it discounted by £14k I think then it's just at the pre discount price of a nicely loaded M4!

Then the Q5 and an SQ7 nicely optioned these ran to crazy crazy money. Don't get me wrong they all looked superb and the tech and options were amazing but I guess then that the AUDI discount in general is better than BMWs across the range to compete like for like?

What I mean I suppose is

That RS5 £>> M4CP
That SQ7 £>> X5 M50D

Did i miss a whole Audi price jump or am I being a fan boy and comparing end of line discount models at BMW vs newer models at Audi?

Pic is my favourite attached. Splendid vehicle at HJ Chester

[Wills2]

That RS5 must have had everything on it, broadspeed think they can sell you a base model for around 55k.

Which if you take it as it comes seems fair? Although I think the RS5 and C63 have always been more expensive than the M3/4 when I've looked at them.

Just checked BS have a CP m4 for around 58k but that has stuff like 20" and carbon roof as standard etc..

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Wills2

That RS5 must have had everything on it, broadspeed think they can sell you a base model for around 55k.

Which if you take it as it comes seems fair? Although I think the RS5 and C63 have always been more expensive than the M3/4 when I've looked at them.

I think there is a CF Edition that adds about £12k to the base model right away. I still think with everything it's possible to spec one to nearer high £90s maybe £100k.

It had CCBs and that CF pack.

£55k base car sounds much much more on a par, but wow like £30k difference car pricing on same engines model. Options are getting crazy!

[Wills2]

A guy at work has a new RS4 and it's just the base car and has everything you need, options are the work of devil, you spot them and suddenly need to have them!

It has the 19" wheels on it which look great but on the configurator they look small, I swear they make things look worse online to make you spend money.

[Tengocity]

What I noticed is that you can get a decent discount on the RS5 but next to nothing on the RS4. The cost versus an M4 over 4 years was ridiculous actually.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Wills2

A guy at work has a new RS4 and it's just the base car and has everything you need, options are the work of devil, you spot them and suddenly need to have them!

It has the 19" wheels on it which look great but on the configurator they look small, I swear they make things look worse online to make you spend money.

My god you're so right!

Spec a 520D MSport up and you convince yourself the base wheels are terrible. On the new 5 they're one of my favourite wheels and look much much nicer in real life.

[JustChris]

3:05 .... Russian Doll design!!

[Broncho]

Joke prices and mostly driven by fuckwits.

[gr4z]

Must admit was thinking about a RS5 to replace the 440i soon, but you have put me off. Not sure if the S5 becomes too much of let down behind the RS..?

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by gr4z

Must admit was thinking about a RS5 to replace the 440i soon, but you have put me off. Not sure if the S5 becomes too much of let down behind the RS..?

What had me looking was the last I hadn't heard of the RS5 Sportback and was intruded by that (4 door pretty essential).

By all means don't let me put you off, the R.S. noise is epic and I thought the interior was a little better than F30/80 maybe. Seeing it at £85k though was bizarre. I just wasn't expecting that level of pricing.

Wills2 comment about entry level might be more reasonable assumption.

[MashinBenzin]

Yeah, I sat in a Q7 (not SQ7) with an almost £90k list a month or two back. The new top line model - Vorsprung edition. Fully loaded, but what a price!

[TheLiverBird]

Originally Posted by gr4z

Must admit was thinking about a RS5 to replace the 440i soon, but you have put me off. Not sure if the S5 becomes too much of let down behind the RS..?

I have a 2018 S5 and it's more comparable with the 440i, the RS more so with the M4/CP performance wise.

When I traded in my 435D the S5 was coming out at about £50 pcm more expensive than a similarly specced 440i but I went with the Audi because after 2½ years behind the 435D the 440i was like sitting in the same seat, just with a much nicer sounding engine.

[gr4z]

Originally Posted by TheLiverBird

I have a 2018 S5 and it's more comparable with the 440i, the RS more so with the M4/CP performance wise.

When I traded in my 435D the S5 was coming out at about £50 pcm more expensive than a similarly specced 440i but I went with the Audi because after 2½ years behind the 435D the 440i was like sitting in the same seat, just with a much nicer sounding engine.

Did you go with many options? How much discount did you manage? Ta

[TheLiverBird]

Originally Posted by gr4z

Did you go with many options? How much discount did you manage? Ta

Specced it up to about £55k IIRC - and got 13% off, but think north of 17% is achievable now.

I added:
Metallic Paint - colour choices are crap anyway.
Carbon Fibre Inlays - didn't like stock brushed aluminium
Comfort and Sound Pack (B&O, Adv Key, Rear Camera) - B&O is very good compared to base
Light and Vision Pack (Virtual Cockpit, Matrix LED lights, Interior multi-coloured LEDs) - apart from the VC wouldn't spec this again
Adaptive Suspension - never use so a waste of £900
Flat Bottomed Wheel - only £100
Panoramic Roof - £1200, very expensive but I do like it
Folding Mirrors - ridiculous that these aren't standard
Privacy Glass - as above
Red Brake Calipers - contrast really well with the Mythos Black paint
Magma Red SuperSport Seat - free to change colour and after about 15 years of black leather I love the change.

Really happy with the car (but if I wasn't coming from the 435D I probably would have been with the 440i too). Think Audi have it right to differentiate the 3.0 V6 by calling it S5 as opposed to A5, whereas BMW don't really do the same with their semi-hot 440i. Only real downside of the S5 is the economy (currently averaging 25mpg which seems to be considerably less than 440i owners are getting).

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by TheLiverBird

Specced it up to about £55k IIRC - and got 13% off, but think north of 17% is achievable now.

I added:
Metallic Paint - colour choices are crap anyway.
Carbon Fibre Inlays - didn't like stock brushed aluminium
Comfort and Sound Pack (B&O, Adv Key, Rear Camera) - B&O is very good compared to base
Light and Vision Pack (Virtual Cockpit, Matrix LED lights, Interior multi-coloured LEDs) - apart from the VC wouldn't spec this again
Adaptive Suspension - never use so a waste of £900
Flat Bottomed Wheel - only £100
Panoramic Roof - £1200, very expensive but I do like it
Folding Mirrors - ridiculous that these aren't standard
Privacy Glass - as above
Red Brake Calipers - contrast really well with the Mythos Black paint
Magma Red SuperSport Seat - free to change colour and after about 15 years of black leather I love the change.

Really happy with the car (but if I wasn't coming from the 435D I probably would have been with the 440i too). Think Audi have it right to differentiate the 3.0 V6 by calling it S5 as opposed to A5, whereas BMW don't really do the same with their semi-hot 440i. Only real downside of the S5 is the economy (currently averaging 25mpg which seems to be considerably less than 440i owners are getting).

That's worse mpg than I'm getting from my M4! Averaging 26.5 since new and 30mpg on my commute.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

That's worse mpg than I'm getting from my M4! Averaging 26.5 since new and 30mpg on my commute.

But I am averaging 29.2 from my SQ5 -it’s all about the journeys.

My son in law currently has a 440i and obviously. I have an SQ5, so I can compare first hand. No question where my money would go....

But I might go 640i GT next time if the deals are good enough that it is a noticeable amount cheaper than the current Audi...

[TheLiverBird]

Don't get me wrong, on a decent long motorway journey ((half way round the M60 to my sister's in Altrincham) out of rush hour) I can get an indicated 40mpg, but it's too much fun at the moment (only 6 months in) to leave it in sport and listen to the exhaust (much better than the 435D but not a patch on the RS5) and go for a bit of a 'spirited' drive every now and again - well, every time I'm in it on my own and enjoy it.

[Quantox]

Originally Posted by TheLiverBird

I have a 2018 S5 and it's more comparable with the 440i, the RS more so with the M4/CP performance wise.

When I traded in my 435D the S5 was coming out at about £50 pcm more expensive than a similarly specced 440i but I went with the Audi because after 2½ years behind the 435D the 440i was like sitting in the same seat, just with a much nicer sounding engine.

Drove a C43 Coupe, S5 Sportback, XE-S and several 440i GC's with and without adaptive in my latest quest. The C43 was a great drive, better than the rest but I couldn't get my head around the front tyre scrubbing design fault. On very wet roads the S5 Sportback just wanted to understeer everywhere and felt a bit big, lovely engine/drivetrain/cockpit though. The XE-S was fun, excellent ride and handling but the quality just wasn't there.

Didn't want another saloon so the new 3 was out, so chose a well specced, nearly new 440i GC as an interim until the next 4 arrives in 12- 18 - 24 months? Having had my 30d for only 3 years I can live with a similar but lighter interior plus sunroof/digi-dash in the newish one for a bit longer.

Now want to get the MPPSK to bring the power up to scratch.

Good fun choosing one though, it's taken 7 months of debate.

Cheers

Q

[goodbyalfa]

Originally Posted by Quantox

Drove a C43 Coupe, S5 Sportback, XE-S and several 440i GC's with and without adaptive in my latest quest. The C43 was a great drive, better than the rest but I couldn't get my head around the front tyre scrubbing design fault. On very wet roads the S5 Sportback just wanted to understeer everywhere and felt a bit big, lovely engine/drivetrain/cockpit though. The XE-S was fun, excellent ride and handling but the quality just wasn't there.

Didn't want another saloon so the new 3 was out, so chose a well specced, nearly new 440i GC as an interim until the next 4 arrives in 12- 18 - 24 months? Having had my 30d for only 3 years I can live with a similar but lighter interior plus sunroof/digi-dash in the newish one for a bit longer.

Now want to get the MPPSK to bring the power up to scratch.

Good fun choosing one though, it's taken 7 months of debate.

Cheers

Q

Similar all around from me, but I'll also add that I find the 4gc shape prettier than the 3. The rear 3/4 shot in particular works a lot better for me in the 4 series.
The digital dash makes the interior feel a little more up to date for sure. Love it.
I know what you mean on the power front too. Due to the way the power is so progressively delivered, i got used to it very quickly, which I was quite surprised to find. A car that can do 0-60 in 5 secs used to be considered supercar fast! I would be interested to drive one with the mppks to see what all the fuss is about. Is the power difference all that?

[NotGotABimmer23]

Originally Posted by goodbyalfa

Similar all around from me, but I'll also add that I find the 4gc shape prettier than the 3. The rear 3/4 shot in particular works a lot better for me in the 4 series.
The digital dash makes the interior feel a little more up to date for sure. Love it.
I know what you mean on the power front too. Due to the way the power is so progressively delivered, i got used to it very quickly, which I was quite surprised to find. A car that can do 0-60 in 5 secs used to be considered supercar fast! I would be interested to drive one with the mppks to see what all the fuss is about. Is the power difference all that?

Its only a 10% boost but its noticable, the noise is the big selling point imo.

[Quantox]

Originally Posted by goodbyalfa

Similar all around from me, but I'll also add that I find the 4gc shape prettier than the 3. The rear 3/4 shot in particular works a lot better for me in the 4 series.
The digital dash makes the interior feel a little more up to date for sure. Love it.
I know what you mean on the power front too. Due to the way the power is so progressively delivered, i got used to it very quickly, which I was quite surprised to find. A car that can do 0-60 in 5 secs used to be considered supercar fast! I would be interested to drive one with the mppks to see what all the fuss is about. Is the power difference all that?

Certainly agree on the 4 GC being much more attractive than the 3, especially from the angle you describe. It even looks good in silver. My "nearly new" 440i GC is in champagne quartz with white interior / sunroof, digi-dash, so nice and light inside. My reasoning for the MPPSK is to get the torque back up to 30d levels rather than the outright power increase to 360ish bhp. Here in The Lakes you have to make the most of any overtaking opportunities, many of which are steep uphill ones. Maybe just have to wring its neck a bit more! Of course there's the sound too!

Q

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by JustChris

3:05 .... Russian Doll design!!

I will admit to liking the Q8 a lot, I'd love one