[LiamM340i]

How would the 335d get on against the above hot hatches in a straight line. All similar power but the bmw being heavier albiet with much more torque.
Whats everyones thoughts?

[NISFAN]

Golf R is the most overhyped car on the road. A 335d will have the edge every time against the most powerful version (7.5 pre PPF).

No idea on RS3.

[Cootie]

335d is quicker off the line. Golf is quicker albeit only slightly above 50 and if wrung out. In truth, on the road, in a straight line there’s nothing meaningful in it. On a twisty road however the 335d won’t see which way the Golf goes.

[Cootie]

Against the RS3 it depends if it’s the Gen 1 or Gen 2 8V. Against the Gen 1 it slower but not by too much. The RS3 driver would have to work to pull out a meaningful gap in a straight line. The Gen 2 is a different kettle of fish though - with 400bhp and 150+kg less weight that the 335d it’s notably quicker and will keep an M3 honest in a straight line.

[330Stevie]

I think OP meant golf R and S3; not RS3.

[Cootie]

Golf R and S3 are to all intents and purposes the same performance wise in a straight line, albeit I think the golf is much nicer to drive primarily because the steering has a lot more feel to it.

[Hooded]

Gold R and S3 have a slight edge at rolling speeds 30-70, 60-100 etc, but not that much in it.

[330Stevie]

Originally Posted by Cootie

Golf R and S3 are to all intents and purposes the same performance wise in a straight line, albeit I think the golf is much nicer to drive primarily because the steering has a lot more feel to it.

Exactly; hence matching against 335d. Not a three way comparison

[Bigyin1314]

As as been said above,
Rolling. It would be so evenly matched that it's come down to which driver stomped on the loud pedal quickest.
From a dig, again it comes down to reaction time more often than not.

That being said, on the road at least, it's the driver willing to take the greatest risks / be more of a tool that will take the win.

My mate runs a golf r, I have the 435d it went something like this

Stock golf r = stock 435d (give or take as above)
Stage 1 golf r > stock 435d
Stage 1 golf r = stage 1 435d
Stage 2 golf r > stage 1 435d

(The stage 2 golf r is currently running 11.5s quarters and is an absolute monster)

I have more space, better interior and the obv better fuel consumption. (Plus mine looks sooo much better (eye of beholder and all that))

He has a smaller more nimble car that is significantly better in the twisties.

Would I change mine for his, nope! Although better in the twisties, it's still as boring a drive as mine is 99% of the time.

Would he change his for mine, nope! he says mine sound like a tractor (can't argue with him on that, his sounds way better).

What I will say is, that is both going full throttle. The 35d engine is superior when just rolling on throttle, I.e. normal day to day driving and accelerating (suppose the higher torque low down is the reason for that).

[kzg1969]

not exactly what you asked, but here are some times from my cars (different day, but about the same temp and same bit of road)

40-80mph (running thru from about 35mph) in 3rd gear

Focus RS FPM375 [375hp] - 4.4s [246hp/tonne]
Focus RS DS Ultima3 [400hp] - 3.7s [263bhp/tonne]
BMW 335d [320hp?] - 5.1s [185bhp/tonne]
BMW X3M [503hp] - 3.8s [246bhp/tonne]

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by kzg1969

not exactly what you asked, but here are some times from my cars (different day, but about the same temp and same bit of road)

40-80mph (running thru from about 35mph) in 3rd gear

Focus RS FPM375 [375hp] - 4.4s [246hp/tonne]
Focus RS DS Ultima3 [400hp] - 3.7s [263bhp/tonne]
BMW 335d [320hp?] - 5.1s [185bhp/tonne]
BMW X3M [503hp] - 3.8s [246bhp/tonne]

Interesting.
My remapped 330d (325bhp) does 40-80mph in around 4.4s. That’s in full auto sport mode start accelerating at about 25mph. I know it’s quicker from rolling than a stock 335d(313bhp).

[kzg1969]

Originally Posted by Hooded

Interesting.
My remapped 330d (325bhp) does 40-80mph in around 4.4s. That’s in full auto sport mode start accelerating at about 25mph. I know it’s quicker from rolling than a stock 335d(313bhp).

that is through the gears, yes?

all those times were in 3rd.....mainly because the Focus is manual and any gear change really impacts the times.

[Bigyin1314]

Originally Posted by Hooded

Interesting.
My remapped 330d (325bhp) does 40-80mph in around 4.4s. That's in full auto sport mode start accelerating at about 25mph. I know it's quicker from rolling than a stock 335d(313bhp).

That would suggest that my stage 1 435d is capable of 40-80 in circa 4s or less? not entirely convinced it does it in that. I'm gonna have to have myself a wee play (on a private road of course) to see what it'd achieve.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Bigyin1314

That would suggest that my stage 1 435d is capable of 40-80 in circa 4s or less? not entirely convinced it does it in that. I'm gonna have to have myself a wee play (on a private road of course) to see what it'd achieve.

Depends what it’s actually pushing power wise. If it’s around 370bhp it might only manage just over 4 seconds.
The sdrive 330d and xdrive 335d aren’t as far apart as you’d think from a rolling start between 30-80mph (in the dry) when both cars are stock

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by kzg1969

that is through the gears, yes?

all those times were in 3rd.....mainly because the Focus is manual and any gear change really impacts the times.

Yeah that’s in full auto sport mode through the gears for maximum acceleration.

I’m surprised the 8 speed auto managed 80mph in 3rd gear though on the 335d? My 330d changes up to 5th gear at around 80ish in sport mode (4500/4600rpm). I know the x35d revs a little higher though (4800/4900rpm), but still.

[dopper99]

Originally Posted by Liam335d

How would the 335d get on against the above hot hatches in a straight line. All similar power but the bmw being heavier albiet with much more torque.
Whats everyones thoughts?

If you are talking about just coming across one and seeing who would "win" ..... bear in mind the Golf does come in manual and DSG. I'd wager you easily have a manual no probs.

But as others have said, theres probably not a lot in it. I've owned both and its difficult to say which feels fastest as the 335d has a big slug of torque making it "feel" fast.

With regards the S3, I have seen many vids where the S3 has beaten a Golf R in a drag race and they do appear to be slightly quicker. Strange as they have the exact same engine and drivetrain. But of course the S3 could be mapped a little different.

Here's one example of a Golf R 7.5 310PS against an S3..... watch from 6:10

[kzg1969]

Originally Posted by Hooded

Yeah that’s in full auto sport mode through the gears for maximum acceleration.

I’m surprised the 8 speed auto managed 80mph in 3rd gear though on the 335d? My 330d changes up to 5th gear at around 80ish in sport mode (4500/4600rpm). I know the x35d revs a little higher though (4800/4900rpm), but still.

you might be right - that bit i cant remember as the 335d figures were over 1year ago - i just remember starting in 3rd (even that i am starting to doubt myself as i wonder if it would have kicked down)

[Soul_Glo]

Interesting verdict.

[330Stevie]

Originally Posted by Soul_Glo

Interesting verdict.

You’ve selected the manual for the golf

[Soul_Glo]

Originally Posted by 330Stevie

You’ve selected the manual for the golf

Yeh there is a 6 dsg and 7 dsg but those are 2018 models... let's try again.

[Soul_Glo]

Keep in mind this is 6 pot derv vs. 4 pot gas.
So arguably apples and oranges.
If you enjoy phenomenal torque in troves then the 335d wins every time.

My experience of the 335d is not many cars can give you 40+ mpg at 70mph. Boot size wise and space I am guessing it has the edge over both too.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Soul_Glo

Keep in mind this is 6 pot derv vs. 4 pot gas.
So arguably apples and oranges.

Some of those zeperfs figures can be a bit off I’ve noticed. On some cars they’re pretty much spot on but on others some figures are way off. For example there’s no way a Golf R is anywhere near 1.7 seconds faster than a 335d over 40-140kph!