[NotGotABimmer23]

Originally Posted by creepy coupe

So +5bhp on an M140/M240 Does it give torque figures anywhere?

The m140 and m240 have 335bhp....

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BMW better sort that fucking suspension out.

Will be embarrassing if it's another blancmange on bridgestones.

[goodbyalfa]

Originally Posted by Brigand

BMW better sort that fucking suspension out.

Will be embarrassing if it's another blancmange on bridgestones.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by creepy coupe

I'd imagine then 1450kg is for the 318 with the 3 pot engine

Agreed or the 320i the other numbers tell you it's not the M340i 0-62 in 7.1 seconds etc...

The M340i xdrive will be 200kg heavier 1650kg is my estimate.

I'm not sure why BMW have changed the information available but they have stopped quoting specs for individual model variants like they used to and just have a low spec, low powered example on all the model pages, which is pretty rubbish if you want the details.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Brigand

BMW better sort that fucking suspension out.

Will be embarrassing if it's another blancmange on bridgestones.

Agreed, the suspension route they went down on the xdrive models is bizarre.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by JD6

I do think a lot of people confuse the shortcomings of SE suspension with xDrive since you couldn't get xDrive without it. With the right suspension, it seems a really good system to me. It is very clearly rear-biased.

As you mentioned recently, the turning circle is (50cm?) larger, although that doesn't cause me any problems.

Hopefully they will offer both, but I'll take the xDrive.

I do appreciate the difference between SE suspension and X-Drive but, having sampled X-Drive for over 4 years and 60k miles, I'm personally not convinced the traction benefits in certain conditions offset the permanent downsides of extra weight, inferior fuel consumption, etc. I never really found traction a problem in the RWD BMW's I've owned so given the choice I'd probably go back to RWD (something which wasn't an option anyway with the F3x 335d).

However, if BMW don't offer a RWD G20 M340i in the UK I'd still consider an X-drive (albeit before signing on the dotted line I'd want to convince myself they hadn't repeated the mistakes of the X-Drive F3x!).

[ian332isport]

I'm still struggling with the fake tailpipes on the M340i

[RobUK]

Originally Posted by ian332isport

I'm still struggling with the fake tailpipes on the M340i

Agreed, they look like vacuum cleaner attachments!

[creepy coupe]

Originally Posted by ian332isport

I'm still struggling with the fake tailpipes on the M340i

Are they fake? They look the same as our company 530e and they're the real deal.

Even the 330i get real twin outlets see 13.14 secs in

[SkyJawa]

Leave the suspension alone, I'm more than happy with my xDrive

That way you can all keep ACS in business buying springs again.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by rich100

Any thoughts as to what the price for the m340i might be? Not sure how much they'll mark it up now it's an "m" 340

Think the price is going to be the killer for a lot. There's a lot of members on here with 40i's, I suspect that number will be different with this generation, where a few (including me) will be priced out of it. There's an upper limit that I feel I can justify paying for a car, and this is bound to be above.

It's similar to Jaguar a few years ago, albeit with diesels. Every other 3.0 diesel you saw up to 2015 was a sporty S model, with adaptive sports suspension, 20 inch wheels, full leather sports seats and loads more.

Then when the new model came out they decided to take advantage of that demand, increasing base price and removing loads of standard kit to the options list. Which was a great idea, trouble is they only sell in really small numbers now.

[RobUK]

Originally Posted by creepy coupe

Are they fake? They look the same as our company 530e and they're the real deal.

They're not fake as in there are real exhausts behind them, but they look fake as in what you see is not the end of the exhaust but some silly looking embellishment. BMW has now scattered the 'wheelbarrow configuration' around so much that it's not distinctive any more, even a 220i Active Tourer has the same tips as a 340i now, so I guess they felt they had to come up with something to distinguish the M340i. Trouble is they look naff IMHO.

[Abzynthe]

The main difference is that these are attached to the backbox, not the bumper. Meaning they arent as 'Fake' as mercs.

[creepy coupe]

I don't mind the new look. I find the wheelbarrow look getting a bit dated.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

Think the price is going to be the killer for a lot. There's a lot of members on here with 40i's, I suspect that number will be different with this generation, where a few (including me) will be priced out of it. There's an upper limit that I feel I can justify paying for a car, and this is bound to be above.

So are you expecting the M340i to be significantly more expensive - and/or to attract much less in the way of discount - than the out-going model? Not saying you're wrong but I don't think I've seen any indicative prices or spec for the M340i as yet (apologies now if I've missed a link somewhere!).

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Abzynthe

The main difference is that these are attached to the backbox, not the bumper. Meaning they arent as 'Fake' as mercs.

Are they really? Wow that's a massive exhaust outlet then if that's the case on the M340i.

I would have thought there would be smaller pipes inside the exhaust trim to ensure the right amount of back pressure.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by JNW1

So are you expecting the M340i to be significantly more expensive - and/or to attract much less in the way of discount - than the out-going model? Not saying you're wrong but I don't think I've seen any indicative prices or spec for the M340i as yet (apologies now if I've missed a link somewhere!).

I have a feeling it's going to be over 50k and then around 55k with a spec, given the 340i shadow line can be had for 35k on 0% at the moment the new m340i will be a 50k car even with 10% off, given that the 320d is 40k list

All made up on the M340i I'll admit but I think the M3 will move up in price like the F90 M5 has to over 70k base, leaving room for the m340i to slot into a new price bracket like the M550i has in some markets.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Wills2

I have a feeling it's going to be over 50k and then around 55k with a spec, given the 340i shadow line can be had for 35k on 0% at the moment the new m340i will be a 50k car even with 10% off, given that the 320d is 40k list

All made up on the M340i I'll admit but I think the M3 will move up in price like the F90 M5 has to over 70k base, leaving room for the m340i to slot into a new price bracket like the M550i has in some markets.

Hmm, hope you're wrong about that list price but if you're right it will need a discount of around 25% to bring a decent spec car back to low-£40k's.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see but if it's mid-£50k's with little or no discount that would have me looking at a nearly new RS4 or C63 estate instead....

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by JNW1

So are you expecting the M340i to be significantly more expensive - and/or to attract much less in the way of discount - than the out-going model? Not saying you're wrong but I don't think I've seen any indicative prices or spec for the M340i as yet (apologies now if I've missed a link somewhere!).

I'm expecting it to be £2-3k ish more and maybe £3-5k ish less discount. That makes quite a bit of difference.

We'll see, I hope I'm wrong.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

I'm expecting it to be £2-3k ish more and maybe £3-5k ish less discount. That makes quite a bit of difference.

We'll see, I hope I'm wrong.

I can certainly see the price increasing over the out-going model but I'm hoping some of that will be offset by a better standard spec with less need to add options. However, if they hike the price significantly - and combine that with lower discounts than those available on the F3x - then they may indeed lose sales. Only time will tell....

[creepy coupe]

Originally Posted by kylemacca01

The m140 and m240 have 335bhp....

Sorry I miss read it as 347 not 374. which is 367 BHP in real money

[pmgreenwood]

A lot of the contributions to this thread could be made irrelevant by October 29th's budget.

I am expecting major revisions to car tax discouraging the purchase of vehicles with high co2 outputs by hiking their car tax rate and not just for the first year and more encouragement of ev's and plug-in hybrids so the country has a chance of meeting its Paris climate changes commitments.