[clarence]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I would also like to point out something else that has been overlooked.
the 5er GT is NOT a volume level car so sales should not be as high as some of you were expecting. BMW's initial strategy on launch was to sell around 15,000-20,000 units of the 5er GT per year.

Point 1 - BMW were on the backfoot already at launch, forecasting at the last minute (correctly) such low sales.
Point 2 - Shows that they've wasted lots of resources (R&D, marketing, aftersales, technical etc) on just 20k units of sales p.a. (around 1.5% of total annual sales), & quite a lot of those sales are cannibilised from the F1x & F01.
Point 3 - It shows that the GT line is not the panacea to BMW, & it is not & won't be the saviour to BMW AG. It contributes too little to the bottom line & failed to create a new niche (which is in itself undefined). It is irrelevant to the future success of BMW.
Point 4 - Just 20k of sales is needed to tarnish the image of BMW to some in the lay public, by making a car with dumpy styling, compromised driving dynamics & interior packaging, poor 2nd hand residule values & frequent discounting on new cars.

[Antares]

Originally Posted by RPM90

I too question that BMW's decision always proved to be correct. That sounds like marketing talk to me.
Sorry Scott, I know that's your job, nothing wrong with keeping positive.
The 7 had to be fixed to improve sales. According to Scott I could be wrong.
But, did the 7 sell at it's best volume because it included the newish China market to help those sales?

The previous 5 was a bad styling decision, and BMW had to correct that to regain sales, and it worked.
Recent sales of the new 5 and 7 models are quite successful in sales numbers compared to their previous iterations.
I didn't like the initial E90 and happily it was finally corrected with the face lift. The Msport version was especially nice.

Originally Posted by clarence

Point 1 - BMW were on the backfoot already at launch, forecasting at the last minute (correctly) such low sales.
Point 2 - Shows that they've wasted lots of resources (R&D, marketing, aftersales, technical etc) on just 20k units of sales p.a. (around 1.5% of total annual sales), & quite a lot of those sales are cannibilised from the F1x & F01.
Point 3 - It shows that the GT line is not the panacea to BMW, & it is not & won't be the saviour to BMW AG. It contributes too little to the bottom line & failed to create a new niche (which is in itself undefined). It is irrelevant to the future success of BMW.
Point 4 - Just 20k of sales is needed to tarnish the image of BMW to some in the lay public, by making a car with dumpy styling, compromised driving dynamics & interior packaging, poor 2nd hand residule values & frequent discounting on new cars.

+3 to the point

[Matski]

Originally Posted by clarence

Point 1 - BMW were on the backfoot already at launch, forecasting at the last minute (correctly) such low sales.
Point 2 - Shows that they've wasted lots of resources (R&D, marketing, aftersales, technical etc) on just 20k units of sales p.a. (around 1.5% of total annual sales), & quite a lot of those sales are cannibilised from the F1x & F01.
Point 3 - It shows that the GT line is not the panacea to BMW, & it is not & won't be the saviour to BMW AG. It contributes too little to the bottom line & failed to create a new niche (which is in itself undefined). It is irrelevant to the future success of BMW.
Point 4 - Just 20k of sales is needed to tarnish the image of BMW to some in the lay public, by making a car with dumpy styling, compromised driving dynamics & interior packaging, poor 2nd hand residule values & frequent discounting on new cars.

Got any evidence to support your points?

[Antares]

Originally Posted by Matski

Got any evidence to support your points?

Do you remember what happened to Helmut Panke?

[EINSER M]

this looks way better than the 5 GT
woof

[Who?]

looks miles better than the 5gt, but the rear window line seems a tad too high

[MarkW83]

Anyone else see the weird 'dog' in the fire hydrant in this pic??

[Alpine F31]

YES! That makes two dogs in the picture!

[CE750Jockey]

Originally Posted by Mr.Metak2you

I'm sure BWW couldn't care less what I think but the side vent on this and 4 series are ridiculous. I'm predicting dismissal sales.

Agreed. Ugly.

[artieg30]

nope, not a fan either. Wasn't a fan of the 5 series gran turismo and nor am i on this one...

personally i think anyone that needed the "extra" hatch space should've went for the 3 series touring wagon instead of this... it's like the car cant decide between if it's a wagon or a sedan?!

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by artieg30

nope, not a fan either. Wasn't a fan of the 5 series gran turismo and nor am i on this one...

personally i think anyone that needed the "extra" hatch space should've went for the 3 series touring wagon instead of this... it's like the car cant decide between if it's a wagon or a sedan?!

I thought so too, but now I remember my dealership gave me a ride home in a 5 GT once and I sat in the back and compared it to the F10 5 series we owned. The GT has more space in the back, especially head room, and you sit up higher in it. It also has more trunk space than a 5 series wagon so I guess I can see why someone would want one of these GTs. It's not so much a split between a wagon and a sedan as it is a split between a sedan and an SUV, the ride height is between the 5 and the X5 and it does give you the high driving position that a lot of people seem to like without forcing you to get a full size SUV. It's not for me, but then again I rarely have anything besides a sweater in my trunk so I'm clearly not in the target demographic.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by Remonster

It also has more trunk space than a 5 series wagon so I guess I can see why someone would want one of these GTs.

No it doesn't. For the F07 it's either rear passengers or luggage, u cannot do both at the same time.
That's why the F11 outsells the F07 by nearly 2-1 even tho F11 is more or less a EU-only product. The F11 is also available as an option rear seat comfort package. The rear seats recline in the same manner as the F07.

[henryeeex]

Not feeling it at all.

[C4S4SS]

Spotted this today

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