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Sales are down! Problem is the Dollar cost. My 2008 e92 335 cost 38,000 and the equivalent 340 now is 58,000. A condo in West Palm Beach, costs 55K. Keep raising the price and it will cost more that my house. The only other way to keep sales high is to offer a very watered down / shared platform WRONG wheel drive models like the x1 series mini cooper thing they are making now. Perpetual growth is unsustainable, like perpetual energy.
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I love my M4 and was about to lease a 2018 since my 15 is up, but man the quality just feels like it went down hill. I went to Audi and Mercedes to check the c63amg and he RS5 and the interiors of those cars especially the leather and the feel just blew my mind. I still love BMW but they need to focus on better quality. Still feels to this day that my e92 M3 was built better and better quality than my M4. But great post btw. |
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If you have an F10 there is no point to rush and get the new G30 unless your lease is up. They barely moved the needle if at all, same goes for the 7.
New 8 series and Z4 can't come soon enough to breathe back some Life into the styling. Also once X3 hits the lots sales will start to go up again. |
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MB is the way to go. After the 4/50 runs out you have a 12 month unlimited mile warranty as well as a 7 day exchange policy if you don't like the one you just purchased. I just turned in my '15 i3 a few weeks ago and the dealer did nothing to keep me as a customer, well ok, I did receive the standard 'we want you in a lease flyer' My short list is CPO GL 350 BlueTec or 550/63. I tow, so the BT would be best choice, but the driver side of mr says 63. I'm also very loyal Land Rover owner, 4 vehicles past 8 years. The new disco has gone mainstream in the style department and too RR on the interior, for my liking as I've had 3 LR3/4s. Much like BMW LR isn't what it used to be. But in part on the good side as quality has improved. I've had no major failures with mine just unusual maintenance. Currently have 108k on the clock. I have a 2017 Jag XE loaner currently with the 340hp supercharged engine and set to dynamic mode is blast to drive. My recent X1/3er loaners over the past 2 years were bland in comparison. The i3 was in the shop a total of 9 times in less than 2 years. But on topic, BMW needs to shrink their fleet, get back to their roots and up the build quality.
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Like you said, you don't like the car. Perfectly fine. BMW doesn't sell everyone a car. They lose you and gain another. |
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09-02-2017, 01:17 PM | #32 |
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I used to work for another large German company based in Munich and I can see similar errors the BMW is falling into:
1. The lack of understanding of the US market. With many car manufacturers offering many features as standard, BMW decides to charge for them. Essentially nickel and diming their customers to ridiculous prices. When I was at the other German company, they all felt very strongly that US market would love it. 2. The reduction in benefits. Once again, because they want to cut cost, they forgot why customers were going to them in the first place. The significant reduction of the European Delivery program benefits which directly affects people who would get into the car and become evangelists. Another significant reduction in the warranty program which was one of their competitive advantages. Keep in mind, BMW didn't cut all these because they were losing money. With the US$ being stronger, they could have easily benefited from selling more cars. Instead, they become too greedy. Only stupid companies would lose sales when their home currency is weakened!!! It's truly inexplicable!!!! Knowing the Germans, I don't think they will shift their strategy until the "something" hits the fan. Even then, it would still take a few more years. I am thinking about leaving the BMW brand when my lease is up. I'm sad because I had been a loyal BMW owners for many years. Looks like they don't want me to be their customers anymore. |
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I am 100% convinced that the new 3 series, 4, m4 etc will be a class leader as always. The new M5 is the first M of the new generation, but even that one will not be available for another 8 months. Bottom line, this is not a good period for buying a new M car, but starting next year, the situation is going to change dramatically. BTW the new G30 is a huge step forward, had F10, now G30, the difference is much bigger than it seems, but you need to take it for a test drive to realize that... Absolutely amazing car! |
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I think its the product thats the problem. Im in a $60k (which is itself part of the problem as mentioned above) 2017 340i 6spd after being away from the brand for awhile (a few subaru STi's) My last BMW was a 6 spd 2008 X3. Think about that a second - a small suv with a manual transmission. Anyone making that anymore? I think you can get a Mazda or a stripped subaru. But the X3 was a blast to drive - steering was direct not electronically massaged or translated or whatever, body control was great and it was honest and simple. And it was based on an old design of the prior 3 series (E36 I believe) which shows that BMW still had it together when it made those cars. My current F30 is so dumbed down dynamically (And it has the Msport, MPPSK, and manual tranny) even (really especially) in its most sporty settings. It just never seems to commit to being a sporty car. too muted and too soft. Its like BMW either is incapable of or unwilling to make a dedicated sport sedan that doesnt have an M on its badge. To me thats the problem
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Or maybe the blip in overall BMW and MINI sales in August is just like what happened in the rest of the U.S. auto industry: 25% of the sales period was lost to people preparing for and suffering through Hurricane Harvey. Expect September sales to be down too, even in the face of increased incentives.
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