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i don't know where you live but where i live i see 5-10 new series everyday
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Please do me a favor, go drive the new G30 and A6 or some other Audi back to back and come back to share your impressions. Mercedes makes some brilliant cars, nothing wrong with that, but if driving pleasure is what you are looking for, no doubt you would enjoy a BMW more. I tested all the mentioned cars, for me simply there is no dilemma, G30 is bar far the best in class. Sorry that I'm always insisting on the G30, but it is because it best represents the future cars of BMW. In the next 12-24 months we will get a bunch of new BMW models with similar interior, quality, driving behavior... F30 is just an old model, personally I have never been a big fan of it, but let's wait for G20 and then compare it to the brand new A4. The new X3 already has a huge waiting list, and no one has actually even seen the car in real before ordering it (btw I have seen it, and as I said it follows G30 philosophy, no doubt it's gonna be a huge success). Design is a matter of personal taste, it is normal that some people prefer Audi, some Mercedes and some BMW. What is for sure amazing is that the new G30 manages to be THE MOST aerodynamic car in the world (Cd = 0.22) while still keeping its recognizable great look. Marvelous work of designers and engineers. Back to the sound system, what is wrong with HK? Sorry but Merc and Audi are also not offering anything better in that class, they have a "cheap" Bang & Olufsen in Audi (~$1000) with plastic grills while in the Merc they offer only entry level Burmester (also $1000) that has nothing to do with the higher level one in eg. E class ($5000). So, I don't think there is anything wrong with HK, it sounds great and is on par with the other two systems. Only here you can read about bad interior quality in the new BMWs, then I go and sit in my car (G30) and absolutely do not understand what people are talking about, it is magnificent. Lucky most of the people agree with me: https://www.driving.co.uk/car-review...drive-touring/ You can read tons of reviews like this, it's always brilliant interior, high quality materials, etc, but not on this BMW forum. Seriously, I don't get what some people are doing on this (BMW) forum, please go and discharge your negative energy somewhere else or just go to Audi forum and trash BMW as much as you like, I'm sure they would be happy to hear it (there they are probably trashing Audi, why it is not more like BMW ). |
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Many of us are long time BMW owners (myself included) and are very dismayed with the direction that BMW is headed. I'm one of the biggest BMW fans around but I'm very disappointed with most of the current crop of BMWs being offered. Mostly bland uninspired designs with driving dynamics that at best are only slightly better than the competition combined with a perceived reduction in quality at higher prices are turning many loyalists away from the brand. In my opinion, BMW have always had sub-grade interiors compared to their main competitors but their driving dynamics were so far above and beyond that most of us didn't give two shits what the interior looked like (myself included). I hope BMW is listening to the customers that helped build the brand to what they are today and will return to offering cars with far superior driving dynamics but I unfortunately highly doubt it will happen.
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Oh and the HK sound system doesn't suck- but it IS totally average on a ~70k car. Strange too on BMW being a volume dealer (look at how many thousands of 320i's they crank out for the college girls and young couples) BUT THEY WONT INCREASE PRODUCTION of the M2- a bona fide monster hit. My wife went to trade her M235 in on a M2- 7 month wait time- that was February- havent even tried for a 2018 yet.. But why not increase the output on a car that, if in stock, would sell immediately? And for the record, my BMWs have had VERY LITTLE service issues (other than the tire sensors go off prematurely on many BMWs with Runflats. (My brother has a 435 Coupe his are constantly on) but other than that- very few issues- so I am not on the "Bad quality" kick. But like it or not- BMW is at a low ebb at this point (in North America at least) in design, features and spec. And as such Merc and Audi are taking sales away every month. |
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My E82 is far better built than my F31 the lack of quality of the new product is showing. Driving pleasure is now optional with BMW you need M-Sport pack, track handling pack etc to make your car "acceptable" pretty lame for a company which pretend to "share the driving pleasure". This seem to be the Porsche's way of doing thing but Porsche can get away with it as their products are top notch. You got two new products that don't sale: 7 and 5 serie you went for quick money instead of keeping your consumer base. You lost your long term consumers by going soft and the one you gain are probably leased and theses customers are probably not coming back. I personally can't find where all my money went in my F31. The next 3 serie should be the follow up of the clar serie so it doesn't look good. Especially since you are killing body style. It really piss me off when I hear BMW engineer tell us that the customers want numb steering which customers are you talking about? It kind of the opposite of what we really want and what made BMW so special in the first place. Mercedes was able to stick to their roots keeping luxury in the first place you try to chase them but you were unable to keep up. So now BMW is not the driver choice anymore and not the luxury choice either. I recently drove a 2011 C230 and it felt so much more solid than my 2014 328d. You can see where your money went in the Mercedes. This would be perfectly fine with me if I could say : "hey I don't care my BMW is so much better to drive" but it is not really a driver car. My 2014 328d had brakes that couldn't even last 50000kms, a broken transfer case at 50000kms, many rattles and now rust where is the so call "luxury car feel"? Now I've got my second tires which is leaking air I'm not blaming BMW on that but still i never had this much problems with any other cars. So maybe it time to step back and try to connect with your customers base before it's too late. You remind me of GMC in the early 2000´s. In my case it's probably too late i don't see the value in my car anymore and it seem that you are not producing much value for customers anymore. On top of that you are telling me which car i need (BMW X3) when what i want is a touring probably a G21 in my case. So anyway it will probably be my last BMW. |
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If the i3 is too quirky for some. Then you might get the second generation...
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This look much better are we still talking about Plastic/carbon fiber body combination like the first generation? Battery capacity expectation in kw/h? About when you are planning this next generation to arrive?
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That is a much better direction but making a bmw version of the ford c max does not seem to be an ideal solution either.
Create an e46 or even e36 with electric power and watch both money and fans flow in. Not a c max, city car, or whatever other crap your hipster focus groups are steering you incorrectly with. A usable small sedan with electric power and mainstream appeal and its game set match. But bmw marketing doesn't ever seem to grasp the obvious. Tesla is already there although bmw could certainly do it better from a packaging and styling standpoint.
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You never know BMW might introduce the 225e to the North American market to prolong sales especially since it is more conventional and family friendly compared to the i3.
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Love the small anecdotes based on pure opinion. We are talking 1 of 12 months of sales this year. It's bound to be an off year due to refreshes coming in the near term, weather in the US, and a forever-treading US economy.
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Am I the only one who is surprised that they sold almost 500 Z4's this year????
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Crazy right? It's been out of production for a year. I don't think they are in any hurry to clear them out since they knew the replacement would be two years away (still another year to go).
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January http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...p+U.S.+Reports up 0.1% February http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...p+U.S.+Reports up 0.3% March http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...p+U.S.+Reports up 3.3% April http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...p+U.S.+Reports down 9.3% May http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...p+U.S.+Reports down 11% June http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...p+U.S.+Reports up 0.4% July http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...p+U.S.+Reports down 14.8% August http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...p+U.S.+Reports down 7.7% And 2017s numbers are only compared to 2016s. 2016 was down 9.5% over 2015 http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...p+U.S.+Reports BMW sales have been going down for a while now. Are you going to blame "refreshes coming in the near term, weather in the US, and a forever-treading US economy" for 2016 too? And why aren't those affecting every brand out there? Audi has been up 80 months in a row!!! https://www.driveandride.com/us/audi...s-august-2017/ |
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