[R0B]

OP - search google for 'BMW Cooper Reading nearly new'. 420d m-sports on there from 31k with delivery mileage.

[nickcooluz]

Originally Posted by Xplosiv166

Hi,

Best place to start is the following:

http://www.coast2coastcars.co.uk/

run through and see what you can get, then go back to the dealer and ask for them to beat it.

A very quick look C2C are showing

BMW 4 SERIES COUPE 420d [190] xDrive 2 door M Sport Coupe

ON THE ROAD PRICE £31,054

SAVING YOU £5,941

IMO unless you live in Scotland xDrive is pointless and makes the handling worse - save the money and get some winter tryes which in winter conditions will be far better / safer then xDrive

BMW 4 SERIES COUPE 420d [190] 2 door M Sport Coupe

ON THE ROAD PRICE £29,984

SAVING YOU £5,511

plus mpg will be worse with xDrive due to drive-train losses

Hey buddy,

Many Thanks for your advice

A lot of dealers recommended xdrive and mentioned its better on wet roads and snow so I thought xdrive is a must! Being a newbie I didnt know that xdrive will reduce the mpg and the handling. I might just change my mind and not go for the xdrive now

I have had quotes from broadspeed, c2c and autobid in past. The offer I received from c2c was £34,829 saving me £6,456. I sent the offers received from these websites to the dealership and they gave me the following offer for 420d xdrive, m plus pack, advance parking pack and heated steering wheel:

Please find below the breakdown of the quotation.

Total Purchase Price £41,285.00
Our Discount £5248.75 (13%)
Deposit Contribution £1000
Finance Contribution £1000
Total discount (£7248.75)
Finance Total Price £34,036.25

Customer Deposit £5000
Annual Mileage 10k
47 Monthly Payments £354.00
GFV £14,948.70
APR 2.9%

What do you think?

[nickcooluz]

Originally Posted by teaston

Not great imo. You should really consider a 430d or 435d, much better engines and extra standard equipment, plus because they have better discounts and better residuals means they could cost the same as the 420d!

Contact Tony Lewis at Berry BMW Heathrow for the best deals/service, most of us buy from him: TRLdeals@outlook.com

Thanks for your reply They seemed to be out of my budget but I'll check them out. What extra standard equipment do you get with them?

[nickcooluz]

Originally Posted by 225

Not a great deal at all. Have sent you a PM with a good guy a few people on here have bought from.

Thank you

[MRPoisson]

The 2.0D is a great engine and I'm currently on my 3rd! At 190bhp it's no slouch either and I've certainly not had any worries pulling away from 60-70 on a motorway.

Sure, a 6 pot would be more refined and quicker but for everyday driving the 4 pot diesel is perfectly adequate.

[nickcooluz]

Originally Posted by Mr Burt

Ok, think I can offer advice based on previous and current experiences around 3 series 320d x drive and my now fab 340.
The deal if that's the first one you have got, get some more.
Go on C2C get a quote and sit down with a dealer and thrash the numbers. Your post kind of indicates you have had internet/email contact but not face to face. You and they need to see the whites of each other's eyes, so sit down and go through the numbers. Don't be shy to walk away if the numbers don't feel right there's loads of deals out there, be robust.
Extras wise, unless you live in remote areas, xdrive will be a waste.
You get lower MPG, sloppy SE suspension handling and a high ride height which looks out of place on a great looking coupe like the 4. It will also save you approx 1500 notes if you don't spec it.
Now do you need a diesel? my 320d was a nice car with a dog of an engine, I am aware that the latest have a more refined motor, but not by much. If you do less than 15k a year, go petrol. It will save you money on purchase and be a much nicer experience in a coupe. They do 320, 330, 340 so lots to match budgets.
Plus if you plan on keeping for many years, the clock is ticking on diesel tax etc and as a long term owner you could get caught out as depreciation escalates with pressure from tax/legislation.
Other extras. Not a fan of Pro Nav. Nice screen but poor navigation. Save the cash and don't get conned by sales who say it's needed for resale.
M Sport plus pack is good value and the 19" wheels look good on the coupe, go for it.
Heated wheel, great must have and good value. Rear camera, so useful.
Go for an interior other than black, BM's can be a bit dull looking in dark colours and the 4 is a great looking car that really deserves a smart interior.
Wish I had gone for individual leather and dash. It looks so good and really ups the interior quality, but is expensive. I would def the Pro Nav and go for it next time.
Hope this helps and not confuses, enjoy the buying experience and don't be shy when negotiating, the bottom line is way lower than you think and they need to sell.

Thank you for the great advice. If i was local to the dealership I would have personally gone to see them and get the numbers face to face.
A lot of people on the forum have mentioned not to go for xdrive unless you live in scotland so I might take your advice about not going for xdrive and save me some £££
I do about 10k miles a year and only reason i wanted to go for diesel is because I have had a lot of petrol cars with s**t mpg in past. I know they are loud but diesel cars do hold better resale value than petrol and will save you some ££ in long term..
I think 420d comes with pro nav as standard and I am not very keen of black leather either so I might just take the risk and go with the red interior :P
Once again many thanks for your advice - it was very useful and I can't believe the fantastic response I have had on this forum within a few hours of posting

[nickcooluz]

Originally Posted by Rukka

That's a shite deal frankly. Dealer is giving you NOTHING at all by means of discount.

Using a Coast2Coast quote as Xplosiv166 says above, you should be getting £5.5k discount

With your £5k deposit, you should be looking at a monthly of £229 or if you put in just £1000, then you would pay £319.

Shop around - plenty of good deals to be had

Hey

This is the breakdown of the full deal I have received from the dealership:


Total Purchase Price £41,285.00
Our Discount £5248.75 (13%)
Deposit Contribution £1000
Finance Contribution £1000
Total discount (£7248.75)
Finance Total Price £34,036.25

Customer Deposit £5000
Annual Mileage 10k
47 Monthly Payments £354.00
GFV £14,948.70
APR 2.9%

What do you think?

[nickcooluz]

Originally Posted by P1 PET

I'd suggest you go for a bigger engine like 440i or 430i at least as you will probably regret with the power of 20i. Don't get me wrong it is not a slow car by no means when using it around town but when you take the car abroad you will realise it's sluggishness among other cars on motorway/autobahn. Not safe to overtake other cars as well when going after 60 or 70 mph. If I had to buy another BMW that would be LCI 4 Series with 3 liter engine. Pro Nav, HK, HUD, Adaptive LED and rear seat folding are essential.

Hiya,

Thanks for your advice I would love to go for a bigger engine but at this stage I dont think I can afford to run such a big engine. I am looking for a decent engine like 420d which is not too slow and gives better mpg. Maybe one day i'll consider bigger engine but I not right now i guess.

[CazuaLLUK]

Originally Posted by MRPoisson

The 2.0D is a great engine and I'm currently on my 3rd! At 190bhp it's no slouch either and I've certainly not had any worries pulling away from 60-70 on a motorway.

Sure, a 6 pot would be more refined and quicker but for everyday driving the 4 pot diesel is perfectly adequate.

Exactly how I felt about my 320d, but a remap makes it even better

[nickcooluz]

Originally Posted by kzg1969

I just bought a pre-reg 335D. Traded in a car and financed it myself....e.g. Sainsbury's loan or similar.

PCP just didnt seem to make sense / interest rates too high. Plus, I like the fact (right or wrong) that the car is mine!

any help?

I would have done the same if the APR on the 4 series was over 3% to 5% but the deal I am getting at the moment is 2.9% APR so doesn't make any sense if I go for a personal loan.

[nickcooluz]

Originally Posted by MRPoisson

The 2.0D is a great engine and I'm currently on my 3rd! At 190bhp it's no slouch either and I've certainly not had any worries pulling away from 60-70 on a motorway.

Sure, a 6 pot would be more refined and quicker but for everyday driving the 4 pot diesel is perfectly adequate.

Great advice, thanks

[njc]

I'm just wondering why xdrive is no good unless you live in Scotland?

[P1 PET]

Originally Posted by MRPoisson

The 2.0D is a great engine and I'm currently on my 3rd! At 190bhp it's no slouch either and I've certainly not had any worries pulling away from 60-70 on a motorway.

Sure, a 6 pot would be more refined and quicker but for everyday driving the 4 pot diesel is perfectly adequate.

I thought my 20i gearbox or engine broke when i floored it in Sport+ mode first time after living with 718 Cayman S for a week.

Made me realise how ridiculously slow 20i is.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by nickcooluz

Hey

This is the breakdown of the full deal I have received from the dealership:


Total Purchase Price £41,285.00
Our Discount £5248.75 (13%)
Deposit Contribution £1000
Finance Contribution £1000
Total discount (£7248.75)
Finance Total Price £34,036.25

Customer Deposit £5000
Annual Mileage 10k
47 Monthly Payments £354.00
GFV £14,948.70
APR 2.9%

What do you think?

With that APR, I think you'd be not far off getting into a 440i. At 10k miles a year, I'd give that some serious thought.

Here's a dealer offering £429 a month with £429 down. Dealer is contributing £9.3k. That's going to be close to your numbers (albeit higher GFV) with your deposit. http://www.petervardybmw.co.uk/cars/.../440i-m-sport/

This is a whole £20 more deposit and £20 more per month than the same dealer's offer on a 420d MSport.

XDrive. By all means try it and see if you like it. Don't be fooled by waffle about needing it in the snow (and wet ) though. What you need for snow is winter tyres, and an sDrive will be just fine. xDrive only assists with traction.

As for wet conditions, my 440i on summer tyres was easily capable of getting it's power down (I mean accelerating fairly hard) at 1 degree centrigrade with the roads covered in standing water and slush a couple of weeks ago. Not a hint of traction control kicking in either. Streets ahead of my E90 320d in similar condutions.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by nickcooluz

Thanks for your reply They seemed to be out of my budget but I'll check them out. What extra standard equipment do you get with them?

Electric memory seats, sport auto gearbox, front parking sensors & bigger brakes off the top of my head.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by nickcooluz

Hiya,

Thanks for your advice I would love to go for a bigger engine but at this stage I dont think I can afford to run such a big engine. I am looking for a decent engine like 420d which is not too slow and gives better mpg. Maybe one day i'll consider bigger engine but I not right now i guess.

Time for some man maths

10000 miles @ 35mpg and 120p per litre = £1558
10000 miles @ 50 mpg and 120p per litre = £1091

(I've upped these figures a little from my own experience where I have gone from a 320d averaging 44mpg to a 440i averaging 29mpg in a mix of 90% urban with the odd long airport run thrown in - in fairness, the 320d had a higher percentage of long-run miles too, as it wasn't as suited to urban driving so I used it less).

Let's say that a bigger engine ended-up costing you £500-£600 a year more. It's the cost of a decent sandwich and a coffee a week, or perhaps two pints

Oh, and my insurance dropped by about 25%!

[nickcooluz]

Originally Posted by teaston

Electric memory seats, sport auto gearbox, front parking sensors & bigger brakes off the top of my head.

I think I can do without the memory seats but definitely going for m plus pack which includes bigger brakes, 19" wheels, Harmon Kardon etc. Also going for auto gear box and im thinking of either getting HUD as an option or with the innovation pack. Not sure if it is worth getting innovation pack? I also wanted to get sunroof and folding mirrors but it will be way out of my budget now Someone mentioned getting adaptive headlights? I don't even know what they are lol

[Tom Tallon]

Originally Posted by njc

I'm just wondering why xdrive is no good unless you live in Scotland?

Because someone has mistakenly generalised on weather in the UK. If you live in the Peak District, in the Brecon Beacons or in the Pennines, you'll be able to find plenty of cold weather for yourself ( and dare I say Consett as well for Northeasterners!!).

[nickcooluz]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

Time for some man maths

10000 miles @ 35mpg and 120p per litre = £1558
10000 miles @ 50 mpg and 120p per litre = £1091

(I've upped these figures a little from my own experience where I have gone from a 320d averaging 44mpg to a 440i averaging 29mpg in a mix of 90% urban with the odd long airport run thrown in - in fairness, the 320d had a higher percentage of long-run miles too, as it wasn't as suited to urban driving so I used it less).

Let's say that a bigger engine ended-up costing you £500-£600 a year more. It's the cost of a decent sandwich and a coffee a week, or perhaps two pints

Oh, and my insurance dropped by about 25%!

I am afraid it will probably cost me 1200-1400 more a year as my insurance will increase quite a bit on the bigger engine :/ Think I'll stick to 420d for next few years.

[225]

You say that but the x40 cars are very cheap to insure (comparatively) due to low number of claims.

[sensible]

Originally Posted by njc

I'm just wondering why xdrive is no good unless you live in Scotland?

The ride height looks too high, the suspension you get is the soft and can't be changed (if you pay for an M Sport car then why down grade back to soft suspension when the car was upgraded to M-sport suspension) The fuel economy is a lot lower (especially on a petrol car), the car was engineered to be rear wheel drive and handles better in that set up....and for 363 days per year you don't need it.

I was origionally going to go for an x-drive until I looked into it. Decided to go for rear wheel drive with adaptive M-Sport suspension. Not a decision I regret. Had the car for almost 12 months and never had a day when I couldn't use it. If it happens this year for the odd day or two I will use the wifes car.

Sorry to all those with X-drive cars who will do doubt disagree.

[kzg1969]

Originally Posted by sensible

Sorry to all those with X-drive cars who will do doubt disagree.

I wont disagree with you, but coming from an SUV to a 335d xdrive (with adaptive) I find the car very good handling and responsive. And I am easy +5mpg better off. Mines is a touring do the ride height gap doesn't bother me - though I think it would on a saloon.

Its all relative I guess.

(only Sdrive I have had/driven was a 325i E46 and even with DSC on it would still let the back end go on a wet greasy roundabout)