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      10-03-2019, 01:15 PM   #1
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VERY Noisy Engine?

Tell you now this car is killing me lately

Had it MOT’d last Saturday, did an oil change whilst it was in the ramp with my brother (works at KwikFit) and drove it back from Blackpool to Wakefield no problem. Been to work and back and a few short trips as usual all fine.

Went out this morning to start the car and leave it (start it for about 30 mins each morning before I drive it) anyway on start up it seems a hell off a lot louder then normal.

Thought maybe cold start it will settle, set off about 40 mins later and still very loud! It’s as if it’s constantly being revved, drove spot on, just sounded like an actual tractor. Parked up at work then hoping it would settle again. It didn’t, drive home with a tractor.

I know these things can be noise but it’s never been like this anymore, checked oil levels etc and all are good. Here’s a quick video, it’s on 98k and has been fine for a few days just this morning on start up is when it started?

Forgot to add it’s a 2013 316D

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Sounds horrible. Is this the 316 diesel engine ? Or the 2.0 N47 ? Your sig says your car is a 316d

It seems a little coincidental that the problems have occurred shortly after an oil change although you dont say how many miles since the oilchange it started being noisy. So maybe there's no connection so keep an open mind

Was the oil filter changed ? If so could it have been installed incorrectly so that whilst you say there is enough oil there may not be sufficient oil pressure. I have no experience of this engine so can only offer generic suggestions but this would probably be easy to check.

Does the engine have a dipstick or are you relying on the idrive ? It's possible the idrive may be wrong.

Have you got ISTA to see if any fault codes or similar show up ? A long shot but its possible something might show up

I believe the 316 diesel is a Peugeot unit although I might be wrong. But if it is possibly a Peugeot forum might have some help as this is a fairly rare engine in a 3-series

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What oil did you use ?

Genuine / OEM filter ?
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      10-03-2019, 01:59 PM   #4
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Yeah it’s a 316D. Rough as toast! I’ve done about 150ish miles since the oil change! Around that amount!

I used oil that I’ve used before TRIPLE QX Fully Synthetic 5W-40! The filter was a Bosch one! It was with the dipstick and the iDrive that I checked and both seemed ok!

Thinking I may need genuine filter and different oil? Or that I need to check the filter fitting?

Seems strange it was ok for a few days though?
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316d uses the N47 BMW engine.

The oil that you used, does it meet BMW longlife 04 specification?
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https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/tripl...?type=shopping

If that's the oil you used then it does not meet the correct specification.
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      10-03-2019, 02:33 PM   #7
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https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/tripl...1ltr-521776082

This is what I used
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      10-03-2019, 02:42 PM   #8
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That oil should be fine as it is LL-04 certified

I would recommend checking the oil filter in case, for example, part of the old filter is stuck in the housing and restricting the flow of oil. Do you have the part number of the oil filter used ?
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Why do you start it for 30 mins before driving it?
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      10-03-2019, 03:16 PM   #10
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Why do you start it for 30 mins before driving it?
I wondered that as well. Surely driving it is the best way to warm the car.
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This was the filter I used - https://www.eurocarparts.com/search/501110397

There’s no other reason other than warming it up for when I get in tbh! Started doing it during the winter months and just became part of my morning routine!

In regards to checking the filter, I presume I will be OK to undo the cap and oil won’t flood everywhere? Might buy another as they’re cheap and make sure all is full cleared but it didn’t appear to break!

We thinking it’s oil related then?
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Went out this morning to start the car and leave it (start it for about 30 mins each morning before I drive it)
No wonder it's shagged.
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Why do you start it for 30 mins before driving it?
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No wonder it's shagged.
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N47 is notorious for it's timing chain issues. Could be an early indicator of timing chain problems? I'm no mechanic or technician so personally would get it checked out by a BMW specialist for a proper diagnosis.
As others have said, seems excessive to warm the car up for 30 mins, probably won't cause any damage but when I first start my car I usually give it 5 minutes to get it's fluids running and then drive it softly until the operating temperature is up.
One of the guys I used to work with was an ex BMW tech, and said that the modern engines don't need warming up the same as they did many years ago. Said to give it five minutes and then drive it to get it up to temp, I've always stuck with that advice.
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N47 is notorious for it's timing chain issues. Could be an early indicator of timing chain problems? I'm no mechanic or technician so personally would get it checked out by a BMW specialist for a proper diagnosis.
As others have said, seems excessive to warm the car up for 30 mins, probably won't cause any damage but when I first start my car I usually give it 5 minutes to get it's fluids running and then drive it softly until the operating temperature is up.
One of the guys I used to work with was an ex BMW tech, and said that the modern engines don't need warming up the same as they did many years ago. Said to give it five minutes and then drive it to get it up to temp, I've always stuck with that advice.
You don’t need to do that unless you are driving a car with an old carbureted engine.
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You don’t need to do that unless you are driving a car with an old carbureted engine.
Wouldn't even do it then. Maybe 10 secs to see that oil pressure is normal and to nudge the choke down from enrichment to just a fast idle, then away you go.
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You don’t need to do that unless you are driving a car with an old carbureted engine.
Not necessary but just feels like a good habit, make sure the various fluids get moving, especially on a cold winter morning. I usually start the car up, put on my Spotify playlist and check my messages/emails on my phone before setting off. By the time I've done that usually passed 4-5 minutes
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I don’t see how starting the car for 30 minutes is why it’s “shagged” I used to drive it from Blackpool to Leeds and back each day and never wanted to take it on the motorway stone cold. I don’t get what issue leaving the car ticking over will do? Say my journey was an extra 30 mins the car would be on for the same amount of time right?

Just seems strange that it was absolutely spot on when I parked it Wednesday night then this from the morning. Hopefully not a chain issue as that will be expensive I presume!

I will give the filter a check over at the weekend and drive the Mrs’s little corsa about for the time being
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Not necessary but just feels like a good habit, make sure the various fluids get moving, especially on a cold winter morning. I usually start the car up, put on my Spotify playlist and check my messages/emails on my phone before setting off. By the time I've done that usually passed 4-5 minutes
It's not a good habit to idle a flat cold engine, as the manual says start engine and drive off immediately.

All you're doing is making sure the oil pressure is as low as possible which isn't a good thing in a cold engine and the reverse of getting the fluids moving...
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I don’t see how starting the car for 30 minutes is why it’s “shagged” I used to drive it from Blackpool to Leeds and back each day and never wanted to take it on the motorway stone cold. I don’t get what issue leaving the car ticking over will do? Say my journey was an extra 30 mins the car would be on for the same amount of time right?

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The best thing for a cold engine is a motorway/dual carriageway as the engine will heat up quickly which is a good thing, good oil pressure and heat are needed not chugging away at idle on your drive.

As for the issues you have, I'd stop messing with the car and take it to a garage and let someone who knows what they are doing look at it.
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Letting an engine warm by idling is a very bad idea, it warms up so slowly that you get condensation everywhere internally. As has been said above - and as it says in the manual - start up and drive off immediately.
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