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      05-21-2020, 12:28 AM   #89
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You don't have the pyramids, Mount Vesuvius, the leaning tower of Pisa and best of all, the Nurburgring though😉. It strikes me as a bit odd, that people wouldn't want to see other places.
You have to realize that the US has 330 million people and is geographically massive. Americans are extremely well traveled even if 40% don’t have a passport. There are Americans traveling every inch of the world at any given time. In Europe a passport is a necessity because the countries are so small. You can jump on a train and be in France in an hour. For Americans, it’s a 10 hour flight to anywhere interesting, and $1500 in airfare. That’s a huge barrier for many people.
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You don't have the pyramids, Mount Vesuvius, the leaning tower of Pisa and best of all, the Nurburgring though😉. It strikes me as a bit odd, that people wouldn't want to see other places.
You have to realize that the US has 330 million people and is geographically massive. Americans are extremely well traveled even if 40% don't have a passport. There are Americans traveling every inch of the world at any given time. In Europe a passport is a necessity because the countries are so small. You can jump on a train and be in France in an hour. For Americans, it's a 10 hour flight to anywhere interesting, and $1500 in airfare. That's a huge barrier for many people.
Yes, I have visited - East coast, West coast even a little in between plus the 50th state too.

I have also had the pleasure of meeting military personnel stationed here. They certainly make the most of exploring Europe during their stay.

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Those of us living in the US and Canada definitely have it good. When you travel to Europe, South America, Europe, and Asia, it opens your eyes to how people live and the income disparity. Violent crime and kidnapping over there is real if you are wealthy. Bulletproof cars and security guards are normal. I visit the Phillipines every few years and I love it there but you need to be aware. You walk through metal detectors with armed guards upon entering a mall and there are no garbage cans in the mall (bomb threat). Home subdivisions have gates with armed guards. Cars get stopped for a bomb search before arriving at hotel doors. It's all normal stuff once you live there long enough. I love traveling the world but always feels good to come home to Cali. It makes me feel lucky for what I have and the freedom of movement.
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We had armored suburbans and a couple Toyota SUVs when I was in Iraq, but mostly rolled in Humvees the first tour and MRAPs the 2nd. Any time we patrolled a marketplace or something I tried to keep in mind that whatever was normal to them was very different from what we might consider normal, so I'd watch people's body language more than specific surroundings. People start moving away / rounding up the kids running around = danger close. People are relaxed and trying to sell you shit, eating their food and ignoring you, etc, then maybe no danger but that's about as "safe" as it got - we still had grenades thrown at us, sniper fire, etc. To the people who lived there, that was just normal every day life.

I also spent time in South Korea, Ireland, Germany, Kuwait, Louisiana, Texas, South Carolina, Maryland, Arizona, and Southern California. Arizona was probably the most interesting in the context of this thread, because we got straight up told as part of our safety briefing that "on occasion, cartels / smugglers / mules / illegal immigrants may wander through the base training areas not realizing they're on a military installation. Do not engage, report it in immediately, they are often better armed and in larger numbers than you are."

Now imagine - if the base personnel are being told that, wtf do you think the local populace has to put up with? AZ isn't all just Lake Havasu parties. El Paso was pretty sketchy at times too for that matter. Austin was fine though.

South Korea I had to pull riot duty a few times. We'd reinforce the base and lock it down with a ton of Korean cops with wooden katanas and shields, and then have our own US QRF in full riot gear behind them. Funny thing is the rioters would show up just as heavily geared up and ready to go, there'd be some clashes and protests, then everyone would get on a bus and go home at the end of the day. It was surprisingly well organized chaos. I look at the Hong Kong protests now and I'm glad I don't have to be on either side of that one.
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When you travel to Europe, South America, Europe, and Asia, it opens your eyes to how people live and the income disparity. Violent crime and kidnapping over there is real if you are wealthy. Bulletproof cars and security guards are normal.
You have pretty much rolled the rest of the world together there! Europe (so good you listed twice), South America and Asia are all massively different. Even countries in Europe are very different from one another.

Bulletproof cars are normal. Where exactly?

One measure to consider is the intentional homicide rate per 100,000.

This ranges from zero to 52, with El Salvador being the worst.

San Marino 0.00
Australia 0.89
Greece 0.94
Germany 0.95
UK 1.20
France 1.20
Canada 1.76
Iran 2.47
USA 4.96
Argentina 5.32
Puerto Rico 21.09

Still feel safe?

I live just quarter of a mile from the site where a B17 crashed when taking off in 1945 and all of the crew perished. I would urge Americans who have the means, to come and visit the parts of the world that those guys and many others like them, gave their lives fighting for.
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Those of us living in the US and Canada definitely have it good. When you travel to Europe, South America, Europe, and Asia, it opens your eyes to how people live and the income disparity. Violent crime and kidnapping over there is real if you are wealthy. Bulletproof cars and security guards are normal. I visit the Phillipines every few years and I love it there but you need to be aware. You walk through metal detectors with armed guards upon entering a mall and there are no garbage cans in the mall (bomb threat). Home subdivisions have gates with armed guards. Cars get stopped for a bomb search before arriving at hotel doors. It's all normal stuff once you live there long enough. I love traveling the world but always feels good to come home to Cali. It makes me feel lucky for what I have and the freedom of movement.
LOL, are you serious? Did you not see the homicide rate image earlier this thread? Europe and Asia are much much safer places than the US. I feel a lot more unsafe when I'm in the US than in 90% of the countries in Europe
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Why? Who are you anticipating will fire bullets at you and why?
Homicide rates are some of the highest per capita (visualized below as per 100,000 people) in the part of the world where the OP resides.
And we are worried about saving livings from the COVID19...
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Those of us living in the US and Canada definitely have it good. When you travel to Europe, South America, Europe, and Asia, it opens your eyes to how people live and the income disparity. Violent crime and kidnapping over there is real if you are wealthy. Bulletproof cars and security guards are normal. I visit the Phillipines every few years and I love it there but you need to be aware. You walk through metal detectors with armed guards upon entering a mall and there are no garbage cans in the mall (bomb threat). Home subdivisions have gates with armed guards. Cars get stopped for a bomb search before arriving at hotel doors. It's all normal stuff once you live there long enough. I love traveling the world but always feels good to come home to Cali. It makes me feel lucky for what I have and the freedom of movement.
LOL, are you serious? Did you not see the homicide rate image earlier this thread? Europe and Asia are much much safer places than the US. I feel a lot more unsafe when I'm in the US than in 90% of the countries in Europe
The US is a geographically large area and crime is primarily happening in dense, inner cities. Once you are out of that environment, crime in a non-factor. I work in NYC (pretty safe for a city, at least in business districts) but commute home to an area where a homicide in unheard of.
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Awesome mods.

To protect family over aesthetics, commendable.
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I would still like to know what suspension modifications were made to compensate for the added weight.
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Why? Who are you anticipating will fire bullets at you and why?
Gee why do u think he is putting this on his car? he clearly stated he is living in Brazil's biggest city, havent you been on the internet in the past 10 yrs? The robbery rate is so high any one driving around in a bmw prob has a huge bullseye painted on their back
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I'm from Brasil too.

Also have armored cars in my family.
Actually i'm on my third armored BMW.

2014 320i Sport GP F30
2018 320i Sport F30
2020 320i M Sport G20

In the big cities here, it's kind of common to ser armored cars.

Unfortunately, it's a reality here in Brasil.

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What kind of suspension modifications were made to compensate for the additional weight?
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crazy right?

This car suspension is kinda over-engineered

200kg of extra weight is like there always 3 extra people in the car

so suspension maintenance or change is more frequented

but also brazilian road is terrible , good thing is thar f34 is a little bit higher then f30 , i had an armored f30 had it suffers a lot
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I would still like to know what suspension modifications were made to compensate for the added weight.
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This car suspension is kinda over-engineered

200kg of extra weight is like there always 3 extra people in the car

so suspension maintenance or change is more frequented
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Brazil have highest bullet proof car ratio in the world!!

never gonna visit Brazil than
Brazil is very big
São Paulo to the rest of brazil is like singapure to malasia
if u came to visit , go to area in São Paulo like Villa olimpia , berrini , morumbi
it is like a first world country

we have bulletproof car so we can go safely “kinda" to other areas of brazil.
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What's the ratio of attacks with pistol calibers vs rifle calibers? Does that highly support IIIA being the sweet spot for protection, or is level III or IV more appropriate (but at what cost)?
most common options is lv 3A and 2

I dont think robbers rob with a rifle

There is only rifle in favelas and
YOU DONT GO TO FAVELA WITH A BMW
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Not a good way to live.

Brazil is such a big place with different kind of life style

I am fairly rich compare to brazilian (middle class if i was in US)
we live in a close condo, great security, the place is like a resort

Cost about USD 360K an 230 square meter apartment here

So i love the place i live, i love Brazil, especially São Paulo

but not everyone have this conditions



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More concerned that you bought a 3 series GT
F30 is to low
Gt has better suspension to counter those brazilian shitty roads

anyway , i had a f30 , prefere f34
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The question shouldnt be why bullet proof..
The question should be:

Why the f*ck do u still live there ???? :

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Not a good way to live.
Brazil is such a big place with different kind of life style

I am fairly rich compare to brazilian (middle class if i was in US)
we live in a close condo, great security, the place is like a resort

Cost about USD 360K an 230 square meter apartment here

So i love the place i live, i love Brazil, especially São Paulo

but not everyone have this conditions



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The question shouldnt be why bullet proof..
The question should be:

Why the f*ck do u still live there ???? :
It's his home. Why do you live where you do? No region is perfect, and some pose more challenges than others, but people adapt to their circumstances.
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