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      08-19-2018, 05:23 PM   #2201
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For anybody interested. I ended up driving home with a 330i xDrive.

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What market? I thought mf was .166
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      08-19-2018, 06:49 PM   #2202
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What market? I thought mf was .166
I’m in New York / New Jersey area.
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      08-25-2018, 08:38 PM   #2203
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What market? I thought mf was .166
It is .00166.

Its unlikely that verstft actually paid .00156, unless there were (2) security deposits involved.

Money factor is not expressed anywhere on a contract (unlike a loan, where the interest rate is required to be disclosed by law). I am going to guess that he / she ment to type .00166, or, put down 2 multiple security deposits (rather than assuming that the dealer told him / her a lie on the money factor).

verstft You can calculate the money factor on your deal if you want (since its not disclosed on the contract).

1. get your monthly rental charge (if you only have the total rent charge, divide that by the lease term and you will have the monthly rental charge),

2. add your net cap cost (selling price) and the residual amount together

3. divide the monthly rental charge by the sum total in step 2 above (sum total of net cap cost + residual)

The resultant total will be the money factor used on your lease.
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It is .00166.

Its unlikely that verstft actually paid .00156, unless there were (2) security deposits involved.

Money factor is not expressed anywhere on a contract (unlike a loan, where the interest rate is required to be disclosed by law). I am going to guess that he / she ment to type .00166, or, put down 2 multiple security deposits (rather than assuming that the dealer told him / her a lie on the money factor).

verstft You can calculate the money factor on your deal if you want (since its not disclosed on the contract).

1. get your monthly rental charge (if you only have the total rent charge, divide that by the lease term and you will have the monthly rental charge),

2. add your net cap cost (selling price) and the residual amount together

3. divide the monthly rental charge by the sum total in step 2 above (sum total of net cap cost + residual)

The resultant total will be the money factor used on your lease.

So I did the math just because...
.0016599999999 jjrandorin was spot on.

Not sure why the salesman felt the need to give me a bogus MF. Probably to throw off my Leasematic app on my phone.

Another thing that was bugging me. Total cost of lease was abouty 3k higher than what I'm calculating as my actual total lease cost based on payments and due at signing money. I'm assuming that's the 3K lease rebate?

So there you go.
MF .00166
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P.S. and I'm a he. But my wife is on the lease as well
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      08-25-2018, 09:43 PM   #2205
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So I did the math just because...
.0016599999999 jjrandorin was spot on.

Not sure why the salesman felt the need to give me a bogus MF. Probably to throw off my Leasematic app on my phone.

Another thing that was bugging me. Total cost of lease was abouty 3k higher than what I'm calculating as my actual total lease cost based on payments and due at signing money. I'm assuming that's the 3K lease rebate?

So there you go.
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I just try to not assume gender unless its obvious from the name, so as not to offend anyone.

Rebates are normally applied against "money due at signing" ( lease acquisition fee, dealer doc fee, etc etc) and the balance left over is applied as cap cost reduction.

I use leasematic all the time, and its accurate. Put in the correct money factor in leasematic, put the 3k rebate in the rebate spot, and put the cap cost etc in there and you should get down to what your payment is to the penny.
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      08-27-2018, 06:40 PM   #2206
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Wow just wow. Went to the "new" dealer In town as we are looking for a new commuter car for the wife. I said I was looking for a 320i base and was open to a loaner with a larger discount as well as he told me he can get the price really really low on one of those... haha what a joke. They offered me a payment in the 600s. I asked to see the mf and full discount and the answer was let me talk to my manager. Do these sales guys think we are morons. I haven't heard back from him..
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      08-28-2018, 07:16 AM   #2207
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2019 new build 440 xDrive couple

Estoril Blue
Black Dakota Leather with Blue Stitching
M Sport package
Executive package
Track handling package
Head up display
Increased speed limiter
Heath front steering wheel
Digital instrument cluster
19" M Double-spoke orbit grey wheels style 704

Additional maintenance warranty included in price for breaks etc. since this is no longer included.

I used a $1000 drive event credit.

MSRP $64,585
Sale price $59.592

I think that's about 8% off

MSD: $4900
Monthly $700
Down payment: $4600

What do you guys think? Can someone do math to see if it's a good deal?

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      08-28-2018, 10:04 PM   #2208
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2019 new build 440 xDrive couple

Estoril Blue
Black Dakota Leather with Blue Stitching
M Sport package
Executive package
Track handling package
Head up display
Increased speed limiter
Heath front steering wheel
Digital instrument cluster
19" M Double-spoke orbit grey wheels style 704

Additional maintenance warranty included in price for breaks etc. since this is no longer included.

I used a $1000 drive event credit.

MSRP $64,585
Sale price $59.592

I think that's about 8% off

MSD: $4900
Monthly $700
Down payment: $4600

What do you guys think? Can someone do math to see if it's a good deal?
How much of that "down payment" is actually cap cost reduction / down payment? Also, I am assuming you are leasing outside of new york as its my understanding that NY does not allow MSDs yet your location shows NY?

IF that 4600 is actually cap cost reduction and does not include fees / drive offs (very very very very unlikely), then take the amount of cap cost reduction / down payment, divide by the lease term, and add the resultant amount to the monthly to see what you are really paying per month.

I am going to guess that at least 1/2 of that 4600 is "registration, first month, lease acquisition fee, doc fee, etc) so if I assume 2300 of actual cap cost reduction that means 63.88 extra a month (2300 / 36 for 36 month lease term). So the payment is not really 700 even though thats what you are paying. Its 763.88 in this guess.

On a lease you can make the payment whatever you want it to be. based on a 700 monthly, your lease cost is 25,200. If you made a 20k down payment, your monthly payment would be 144.44 a month. Doesnt change how much you are spending on the car, though.
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      08-29-2018, 06:53 AM   #2209
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I'm leasing in CT so I can move over my current MSD's.
I'm finding out the complete breakdown.

Do you think it's decent deal?
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      08-29-2018, 07:28 AM   #2210
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2019 new build 440 xDrive couple

Estoril Blue
Black Dakota Leather with Blue Stitching
M Sport package
Executive package
Track handling package
Head up display
Increased speed limiter
Heath front steering wheel
Digital instrument cluster
19" M Double-spoke orbit grey wheels style 704

Additional maintenance warranty included in price for breaks etc. since this is no longer included.

I used a $1000 drive event credit.

MSRP $64,585
Sale price $59.592

I think that's about 8% off

MSD: $4900
Monthly $700
Down payment: $4600

What do you guys think? Can someone do math to see if it's a good deal?
Greetings. Just leased a 2018 440i GC myselfl, also compared to ordering a 2019 car.

Bottom line. Need way more details.

Lease term and mileage? What does "Additional maintenance warranty included in price for breaks etc. since this is no longer included."? What is the full price break down. Is sales pricing including the $1000 drive event credit? What about the $1500 lease credit that bmwusa.com is showing when I put in a CT zipcode and should be valid runs through 9/3 ? Are you a Costco or BMW CCA members? That's worth another $500 incentive you may be able to add to this.

Need the breakdown of $4600 up front. I would say it's covering your lease acquisition fee ($925), tag/tag/title fee, dealer/doc fee, and other misc fees you don't yet know, plus first month, and you're probably at $2000 in fees leaving maybe $2600 of cap cost reduction.

Base MF is 0.00166, with your 7 MSD's that drops the MF to .00131. Residual on 36mo/10k miles is 57% and 36mo/12k miles is 56%.

I tried to hit a $700/mo payment, and one way I did it was with this sceanrio, which I think is realistic of what they are proposing:

$64.585 - MSRP
$59.592 - Negotiated sales price (includes $1500 lease credit from BMW FS)
$2,000 - $925 lease acq, $700 first payment, rest in dealer/doc and tax/tag/title fees
$4,6000 - Due at signing
$1,000 - Driver event credit

Assuming 7.75% CT tax rate, I'm right around $700 on a 36mo/10k lease, or $723/mo for 12k miles. If I remove the MSD's the payments are $740/10k and $760/12k.

This was only scenario where I hit close to your number. So, if that's your actual breakdown, the math check outs

Is it a good deal? Well, we need to see the breakdown to see if they are marking up the MF above base rate. Your discount off MSRP is about 7.8%, and on a 2019, I'd say that's not bad at all. But does that include $1500 lease credit? If it does, now the discount is 5.4%, which is still pretty good IMO for a 2019.

You said you have existing MSD's you can move over, do you have all $4900 in existing MSD's or do you need to bring more cash to the table?

After all of this, when you get to finance, they will throw stuff at you like the lease return damage waiver ($900'ish) , service packages (vary), wheel and tire protection ($1400'ish), and possibly other stuff. You can negotiate the costs on those with the finance guy. If you had any intention of getting these, those costs are in addition to anything above, so keep that in mind when you are thinking about costs.
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      08-29-2018, 07:57 AM   #2211
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2019 new build 440 xDrive couple

Estoril Blue
Black Dakota Leather with Blue Stitching
M Sport package
Executive package
Track handling package
Head up display
Increased speed limiter
Heath front steering wheel
Digital instrument cluster
19" M Double-spoke orbit grey wheels style 704

Additional maintenance warranty included in price for breaks etc. since this is no longer included.

I used a $1000 drive event credit.

MSRP $64,585
Sale price $59.592

I think that's about 8% off

MSD: $4900
Monthly $700
Down payment: $4600

What do you guys think? Can someone do math to see if it's a good deal?
I got almost 15% off a factory order 340i xdrive including the $3000 lease credit BMW is offering currently. I also got loyalty+fleet/costco and additional discounts. All said and done its a 56k car, I'm putting $2500 down, sign and drive with a $500 payment. Yes, this includes all taxes, acquistion and dealer fees. 36 month/12k miles per year
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      08-29-2018, 08:23 AM   #2212
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I got almost 15% off a factory order 340i xdrive including the $3000 lease credit BMW is offering currently. I also got loyalty+fleet/costco and additional discounts. All said and done its a 56k car, I'm putting $2500 down, sign and drive with a $500 payment. Yes, this includes all taxes, acquistion and dealer fees. 36 month/12k miles per year
Probably won't be getting anywhere close to 15% off on a 2019 4 series (even with incentives). Only way you'll get there (or better) on a 4 series is probably going to be a 2018 leftover, and be willing to go anywhere in the country for it. TX and CA have some particularly good options out there. Might be able to leverage them against a closer dealer on 2018 leftovers.

Lease insensitive is $1500 max, some states are $100) for 2019 4 series, but $3000 for 2019. plus the car has not be retired yet. like the 3 series. Dealers are going to do everything they can to push out remaining Fx 3 series and make unit numbers, even on factory orders, before G20's start showing up on lots, None of the masses (non-enthusiast) who by BMW's 3 series are going to want the "old" car when they see the new generation sitting there.

Residual's on 3 series are currently 4% more than 4 series as well, which equates to an average of $40/mo less on payment for $60k range MSRP and $70/mo less on 64k range MSRP, so have to factor that in when comparing what people are paying on 3 series leases.
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Probably won't be getting anywhere close to 15% off on a 2019 4 series (even with incentives). Only way you'll get there (or better) on a 4 series is probably going to be a 2018 leftover, and be willing to go anywhere in the country for it. TX and CA have some particularly good options out there. Might be able to leverage them against a closer dealer on 2018 leftovers.

Lease insensitive is $1500 max, some states are $100) for 2019 4 series, but $3000 for 2019. plus the car has not be retired yet. like the 3 series. Dealers are going to do everything they can to push out remaining Fx 3 series and make unit numbers, even on factory orders, before G20's start showing up on lots, None of the masses (non-enthusiast) who by BMW's 3 series are going to want the "old" car when they see the new generation sitting there.

Residual's on 3 series are currently 4% more than 4 series as well, which equates to an average of $40/mo less on payment for $60k range MSRP and $70/mo less on 64k range MSRP, so have to factor that in when comparing what people are paying on 3 series leases.
Of course it's not an apples to apples comparison...I was just sharing my experience on a factory ordered car. Some people may not know about all the discounts BMW offers so I just like to share the knowledge.
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Hi guys, extremely new car buyer (leaser i guess) I'm considering going for a 44,341 (dealer discounted from 37,345) 330i. What should I be asking for in the lease. WOuld like to keep my monthly payment in the 300's if possible, one of the reasons I'm going for an F30 in lieu of waiting on a G20.
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Hi guys, extremely new car buyer (leaser i guess) I'm considering going for a 44,341 (dealer discounted from 37,345) 330i. What should I be asking for in the lease. WOuld like to keep my monthly payment in the 300's if possible, one of the reasons I'm going for an F30 in lieu of waiting on a G20.
Need breakdown on discount offered. That's $6996 discount, but does that include the $3000 lease credit or will you get that on top of it?

Tell them you want to know the Money Factor (MF) they are qouting, their dealer/doc fee, estimated tag/title fee they are using, and "any other fees".

Easiest thing to do is just ask them to give you the full lease breakdown, plus the MF used to calculate it. Then it can be picked apart and you know what to go back at them with to meet your price target.
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Hi guys, extremely new car buyer (leaser i guess) I'm considering going for a 44,341 (dealer discounted from 37,345) 330i. What should I be asking for in the lease. WOuld like to keep my monthly payment in the 300's if possible, one of the reasons I'm going for an F30 in lieu of waiting on a G20.
Thats over 15% off MSRP. Thats definitely good. Assuming its new and not a loaner. Can you do better probably. See if you can find similar priced cars at dealers near you and tell the deal your being offered and are looking for the best competitive deal. Dont give them your dealer contact or VIN!! And unless you put some money down which isn't recommended. Just 1st month and dmv.. maybe the bank fee if you need payment lower.
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Need breakdown on discount offered. That's $6996 discount, but does that include the $3000 lease credit or will you get that on top of it?

Tell them you want to know the Money Factor (MF) they are qouting, their dealer/doc fee, estimated tag/title fee they are using, and "any other fees".

Easiest thing to do is just ask them to give you the full lease breakdown, plus the MF used to calculate it. Then it can be picked apart and you know what to go back at them with to meet your price target.
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Thats over 15% off MSRP. Thats definitely good. Assuming its new and not a loaner. Can you do better probably. See if you can find similar priced cars at dealers near you and tell the deal your being offered and are looking for the best competitive deal. Dont give them your dealer contact or VIN!! And unless you put some money down which isn't recommended. Just 1st month and dmv.. maybe the bank fee if you need payment lower.
Sorry for the late reply, I messed up the post, it was MSRP 47,000~ discounted to 44,000~ (I'm assuming that was the current 3,000 lease credit), a new 2018 330i with metallic black, blacked out grill, apple car, nav, etc.

I also traded in my prius for 5,000. So total price came to around 39,000~.

My lease is 382 a month 12k/36mo, plus I opted for the service insurance for 50 extra dollars a month.

I'm loving this car beyond words. Also feel honored to have one of the last Rossyln cars.
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Sorry for the late reply, I messed up the post, it was MSRP 47,000~ discounted to 44,000~ (I'm assuming that was the current 3,000 lease credit), a new 2018 330i with metallic black, blacked out grill, apple car, nav, etc.

I also traded in my prius for 5,000. So total price came to around 39,000~.

My lease is 382 a month 12k/36mo, plus I opted for the service insurance for 50 extra dollars a month.

I'm loving this car beyond words. Also feel honored to have one of the last Rossyln cars.
The only thing that matter is that you are happy with the deal. After one signs, its not worth trying to pick it apart at that point. Congratulations, and enjoy your new ride!
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The only thing that matter is that you are happy with the deal. After one signs, its not worth trying to pick it apart at that point. Congratulations, and enjoy your new ride!
Absolutely, I'm beyond happy with the car and the deal, just following up after asking for advice. Would post pics but it's not letting me for some reason.
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The only thing that matter is that you are happy with the deal. After one signs, its not worth trying to pick it apart at that point. Congratulations, and enjoy your new ride!
Straight numbers on $47k MSRP discounted to $44k and another $5k down from the Prius comes out to about $430/mo after tax on a 3yr/10k mile lease. But that's not accurate beccause you have all your due as signing to come out of your Prius money (lets say 2k), which puts you at almost $500/mo.

If I do 47k MSRP discounted to 44k than add 3k lease credit, plus your $5k from Prisu where 2k goes to due at signing and $3k is cap cost reduction then I'm just under $400/mo. So I'm guessing this was closer to your scenario.

You could post the #'s off your paperwork if you really want to know what's up, but it doesn't really matter at this point, you signed.

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New member, 1st BMW. Coming from an Audi A7---love this 440i GC. Feel like I did pretty well on the deal.

2019 440i GC $59,965 MSRP

Discount off MSRP ------$4,920
Rebates and incentives--$3,250 ($2,000 APR cash from BMW and Costco $1,250)
**Dealer wanted to give the $2,000 cash and raise APR from 2.25 to 3.25--Got both the 2.25% and $2000 off
$799 Dlr fee---couldn't get them to budge since I was "getting such a great deal"
+ Tax (6%) and Tag transfer ~$250
$500 coming from BMWCCA

OTD. Right around $56,000
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New member, 1st BMW. Coming from an Audi A7---love this 440i GC. Feel like I did pretty well on the deal.

2019 440i GC $59,965 MSRP

Discount off MSRP ------$4,920
Rebates and incentives--$3,250 ($2,000 APR cash from BMW and Costco $1,250)
**Dealer wanted to give the $2,000 cash and raise APR from 2.25 to 3.25--Got both the 2.25% and $2000 off
$799 Dlr fee---couldn't get them to budge since I was "getting such a great deal"
+ Tax (6%) and Tag transfer ~$250
$500 coming from BMWCCA

OTD. Right around $56,000
Discount is a little over 8% which isnt too bad. What the hell is 799 for a dealer fee? Kind of negates some of the dealer discount. I thought BMWFS APR is 4.15% this month
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