[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Wagner Intercooler W/ Evolution Racewerks Charge Pipe (customer photo)

Mike, how does the Wagner Tuning EVO 1 Competition and EVO 2 Competition ICs compare against the stock FMIC in terms of pressure drop, air flow, and lag?

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Mike, how does the Wagner Tuning EVO 1 Competition and EVO 2 Competition ICs compare against the stock FMIC in terms of pressure drop, air flow, and lag?

Like any other intercooler it depends on the mods you have installed on the car

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Like any other intercooler it depends on the mods you have installed on the car

Assume stock powertrain.

And at most (in the future), maybe a M2-like tune along with catless DP.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Assume stock powertrain.

And at most (in the future), maybe a M2-like tune along with catless DP.

Thats a big jump in power.

5" would be best for stock, 6" would be better for Tune + DP

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Thats a big jump in power.

5" would be best for stock, 6" would be better for Tune + DP

My understanding is that the M2 (Stage 0+) is a relatively mild tune (for an N55)...?

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

My understanding is that the M2 (Stage 0+) is a relatively mild tune (for an N55)...?

It is and add downpipe thats another 10 HP , you can get away with the 5" but 6" will get you better performance.

[Brady154]

So, who makes a good tube and fin style FMIC? It seems the ER and the Wagner are both bar and plate style.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Brady154

So, who makes a good tube and fin style FMIC? It seems the ER and the Wagner are both bar and plate style.

Wagner makes both types and in 2 different sizes

EVO I Performance - 5" Bar and plate
EVO I Competition - 5" Tube and fin
EVO II performance - 6" bar and plate
EVO II Competition - 6" Tube and fin

[Brady154]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Wagner makes both types and in 2 different sizes

EVO I Performance - 5" Bar and plate
EVO I Competition - 5" Tube and fin
EVO II performance - 6" bar and plate
EVO II Competition - 6" Tube and fin

Excellent. Can I order it from you?

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Brady154

Excellent. Can I order it from you?

Of course!

[archon-x]

Quick query:

I'm somewhat confused, I've read around that the B48 engines doesn't have a FMIC, and for a stage 2 tune (BM3), only DP and CP is enough?

Please clarify.

[rjd_F30]

Originally Posted by archon-x

Quick query:

I'm somewhat confused, I've read around that the B48 engines doesn't have a FMIC, and for a stage 2 tune (BM3), only DP and CP is enough?

Please clarify.

The B48 has an air-water style intercooler rather than an air-air style like the N series engines, meaning it's much more complicated and much less beneficial to replace. I believe the B series intercoolers are top-mounted as well.

But, to answer your question: all you need is a DP to run stage 2 on a B48.

[CandyRedRC46]

Awesome thread, thanks for putting it together. Great to see some real world and factual information regarding charge temps and pressure drop. It has been pointed out that while charge temps are very important, they are only part of the equation and pressure drop is just as important. I know the ching chong ebay brands are looked down upon, especially in the context of this thread containing all name brand intercoolers approaching +$1000, but G-plus has been receiving relatively good ratings for the price in the n20/f30 community. I want to say people have posted logs showing good results for charge temps, but after reading through this thread, I am beginning to question the possibility of their pressure drops. Has anyone tested the pressure drop of the gplus intercooler on the n20/f30?

[archon-x]

Originally Posted by rjdnyy224

The B48 has an air-water style intercooler rather than an air-air style like the N series engines, meaning it's much more complicated and much less beneficial to replace. I believe the B series intercoolers are top-mounted as well.

But, to answer your question: all you need is a DP to run stage 2 on a B48.

Thank you!!

[rjd_F30]

Originally Posted by archon-x

Thank you!!

No problem

[Xyros]

Hi, looking to get a VRSF intercooler and catless downpipr to get to stage 2 for my F30 320i N20 engine. Which VRSF FMIC should i be looking at? Is the 5" stepped performance HD FMIC good enough or should I get the 6.5" stepped competition HD FMIC?

Thanks.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Xyros

Hi, looking to get a VRSF intercooler and catless downpipr to get to stage 2 for my F30 320i N20 engine. Which VRSF FMIC should i be looking at? Is the 5" stepped performance HD FMIC good enough or should I get the 6.5" stepped competition HD FMIC?

Thanks.

the 5" is good enough but the 6.5" competition is the better intercooler for stage 2 application

[mike@x-ph.com]

VRSF Intercooler vs stock

[Fade_The_Public]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

VRSF Intercooler vs stock

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

VRSF Intercooler vs stock
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I went CSF.. not a whole lot of guys in this thread went in that direction which surprises me because the quality of my FMIC is amazing for the$650

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Fade_The_Public

I went CSF.. not a whole lot of guys in this thread went in that direction which surprises me because the quality of my FMIC is amazing for the$650

Congrats

[brigade24]

is the CSF FMIC tube and fin (front) and bar and plate (rear)? I thought it was all bar and plate...

application is on a stage 2 N55 F30. I do lots of autox, time attack and lapping. Not sure if the comp 1 wagner is sufficient...looking to keep things compact without sacrificing efficiency.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by brigade24

is the CSF FMIC tube and fin (front) and bar and plate (rear)? I thought it was all bar and plate...

application is on a stage 2 N55 F30. I do lots of autox, time attack and lapping. Not sure if the comp 1 wagner is sufficient...looking to keep things compact without sacrificing efficiency.

the only aftermarket tube and fin intercooler is the Wagner Competition line