[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by Chelsea_Tractor

The country has officially gone down the shitter. I feel like the Polish lady at the local chippy. When she first found out about Brexit she sold her shop and bolted.

Now the UK is officially a laughing stock. Bojo the fucking cock womble. Hope he bites a pylon!

Trump on Johnson: 'They call him Britain Trump'.
We now have our own Moron In Chief

[TouringPleb]

Great. Another Tory leader/PM I can't and won't vote for.

Didn't vote for May because of how she treated the Police whilst Home Secretary.

Won't vote for Boris because 1) he's a cock and 2) because of the homophobic comments he's made.

And 3) he's a cock.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by JD6

I couldn't have imagined Jo Swinson as party leader a few years ago, but she does seem to have come a long way. Listening to her recently, I think the party made the right choice, particularly with Ed Davey as the alternative - he did rather too much selling-out during the 2010-15 coalition.

Hopefully a pact with the other Remain parties (Green, Change UK), and strong local support for Remain in some constituencies will see them pick up a decent number of seats.

UK politics needs a sensible middle ground.

Something the Lib Dems were accused of generally and they lost lots of votes and seats in the 2015 election as a result; I actually thought the coalition of 2010-2015 did a pretty good job in very difficult circumstances but clearly a lot of Lib Dem voters didn't agree....

[teaston]

Originally Posted by 1 AKY

Funny, but quite true unfortunately.

[Scoobyd]

Originally Posted by JNW1

Something the Lib Dems were accused of generally and they lost lots of votes and seats in the 2015 election as a result; I actually thought the coalition of 2010-2015 did a pretty good job in very difficult circumstances but clearly a lot of Lib Dem voters didn't agree....

Agree. That Con/Lib coalition was actually the best government we've had in many years looking back.

Also, and I know this will no doubt be an unpopular take, I have a feeling Boris might just surprise a few people and end up being a very capable PM. If he's given the chance. And that's a big if.

[agentorange]

I can't say I'm surprised. Politically, the UK has worked its way into a corner while the roof is collapsing. I have to put up with The Donald here and my extended family now get Boris. My wife's family in Mexico have president AMLO, and so far he's the lesser of the three evils.

Good luck to us all.

[Bibbles]

Originally Posted by Scoobyd

I have a feeling Boris might just surprise a few people and end up being a very capable PM. If he's given the chance. And that's a big if.

He's a good speaker but his attention to detail according to those that work with him is pretty much zero. He would probably look ok if he surrounded himself with top people, but they are severely lacking in politics at the moment so he'll have a cabinet and backroom staff full of cockwombles. I can't see him lasting past the end of the year or a general election, whichever comes sooner.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Bibbles

I can't see him lasting past the end of the year or a general election, whichever comes sooner.

I tend to agree.

Boris has made much of leaving the EU by 31st October this year but I don't see him being able to negotiate any meaningful changes to the Withdrawal Agreement and equally I don't see Parliament allowing a No Deal Brexit either. It therefore looks like a General Election is going to have to take place sooner rather than later in an effort to break the log-jam - in that scenario the Tories may still be returned as the largest party but I certainly wouldn't put money on it...

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by JNW1

I tend to agree.

Boris has made much of leaving the EU by 31st October this year but I don't see him being able to negotiate any meaningful changes to the Withdrawal Agreement and equally I don't see Parliament allowing a No Deal Brexit either. It therefore looks like a General Election is going to have to take place sooner rather than later in an effort to break the log-jam - in that scenario the Tories may still be returned as the largest party but I certainly wouldn't put money on it...

Tories ahead of Labour in latest YouGov poll, for what its worth, with the LibDems hot on Labour's heels. Extraordinary to think that after three years of chaos under May, Labour is still behind in the polls. That's the Corbyn effect for you.
I can't see Johnson calling an early GE. Too risky. More likely to be driven by a vote of no confidence, which will happen at some point. The only way in which the Tories can guarantee winning a GE would be to enter into an electoral pact with the Brexit Party, or G*d forbid, a coalition. Various senior Tory cronies have said that they won't enter into any deals with any other parties.... which means that they are bound to

[DB118D]

From Boris's "DUDE" mantra;

Defeat Corbyn

Well Boris - Corbyn has already defeated Corbyn..............

I think any GE is likely to return another Con-Lib coalition. And hopefully torpedo Wee Jimmy Krankie and her band of incompetent wasters into the bargain

[zofinger]

Is anyone watching Sky News - what is that bloody noise during the live interviews and why cant they do anything about it.

[225]

Originally Posted by zofinger

Is anyone watching Sky News - what is that bloody noise during the live interviews and why cant they do anything about it.

Some annoying to55er playing a glockenspiel. Was on last night as well.

Wait and see on all the new appointments but at least something will happen one way or another.

See idiot comrade corby is spouting same cr8p of calling for an election even though 44 % people said they would prefer bojo as PM over Corbyn at 21% on latest sky poll.
Obviously all polls are to be taken with a pinch of salt but still.

100days, get some form of deal, pro business sept budget with corporation tax slashed and (hopefully) stop of contractor bashing, 20k police offices back on the street, uk hits 4% growth by this time next year.... maybe

[agentorange]

Originally Posted by JNW1

I tend to agree.

Boris has made much of leaving the EU by 31st October this year but I don't see him being able to negotiate any meaningful changes to the Withdrawal Agreement and equally I don't see Parliament allowing a No Deal Brexit either. It therefore looks like a General Election is going to have to take place sooner rather than later in an effort to break the log-jam - in that scenario the Tories may still be returned as the largest party but I certainly wouldn't put money on it...

Why does Boris and a bunch of other people still believe that the Withdrawal Agreement can/will be changed. The EU has ZERO motive for doing so.

Also, Boris is as delusional as May if he thinks he can corral Parliament into passing a Brexit act. There's too many things pulling every which way.

As for Corbyn, if he's the answer it must have been a really stupid question. I'll have won the lottery twice over before he becomes PM.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by 225

100days, get some form of deal, pro business sept budget with corporation tax slashed and (hopefully) stop of contractor bashing, 20k police offices back on the street, uk hits 4% growth by this time next year....

Some of us quite like to see contractors being forced to pay taxes

[225]

Originally Posted by JD6

Some of us quite like to see contractors being forced to pay taxes

Haha let's not go down that one again but will swap you for some job security, sick pay, holiday/bank holiday pay and pay whilst training..

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by 225

Haha let's not go down that one again but will swap you for some job security, sick pay, holiday/bank holiday pay and pay whilst training..

Dead easy, give up your tax breaks and become an employee...

[Wills2]

Happy to see Boris in and a night of the long knifes, cabinet government had broken down and the first thing to restore was cabinet government.

Failing Grayling out on his arse and that alone is worth the entry fee of having Boris as PM.

Just keep your word on that tax cut Boris....

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Just keep your word on that tax cut Boris....

I’m pretty sure that promise was downgraded to an ambition, during an interview a few days later, i.e. it’s not going to happen...

I can’t see how Boris could deliver on that without a substantial Tory majority, of say 50 seats, and that looks unlikely. If Boris survives as PM long enough to hold a budget, I imagine he might raise the threshold to high 50s, perhaps even 60, but it’s going to have to be coupled with an expensive tax cut at the bottom end if he wants to get it through on a wafer-thin majority.

[RobUK]

The bit about Boris having Steve Bannon on speed dial... scary.

[zofinger]

Originally Posted by agentorange

Why does Boris and a bunch of other people still believe that the Withdrawal Agreement can/will be changed. The EU has ZERO motive for doing so.

EU motive = avoid not agreeing a treaty and an unmanaged land border with a country outside the EU? Surely some motive there?

[Wills2]

It's going to be a GE no way out of it now, they need a proper majority to get this through, although is there time?

The EU holding the line with Varadkar seemingly their spokes person, although he looks increasingly more like fall guy to me.

Christ I sound like a Brexiter.

[Watsey]

I don't think Boris would risk a GE - with the shambles which has ensued since the Referendum the Conservatives risk losing massive vote share to the Liberal Democrats and a continuation of this political farce.

More likely, IMHO, that Boris will put on a show of squaring-up to Barnier and take New Deal or No Deal down to the wire if the EU won't play ball. No WA, no €39B, etc.

If the EU doesn't wish to see a further extension to the Brexit date, and there's no new deal on the table (and presumably no legal means for the opposition parties to negotiate independently of the government), it would be a case of 'who blinks first'.

I still think there's a better deal in the EU's back pocket but it'll take some much firmer negotiation, and the resolve to walk away, if it's ever to see the light of day.