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View Poll Results: If covid vaccination and ID2020 to prove it is forced upon you, will you comply?
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      05-19-2020, 10:24 PM   #45
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I'll bargin with them if they are mandating a rush vaccines for adult to save lives then they ought to ban abortion to also save lives

Adults: Contribute to society, experience consciousness
Fetuses: Do not contribute to society, do not experience consciousness, can create more of them, should only be born to parents who want it

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Adults: Contribute to society, experience consciousness
Fetuses: Do not contribute to society, do not experience consciousness, can create more of them, should only be born to parents who want it
That deserves its own thread. The obsession with fetuses and babies is something I've never been able to understand.
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Adults: Contribute to society, experience consciousness
Fetuses: Do not contribute to society, do not experience consciousness, can create more of them, should only be born to parents who want it
Elderly, cripple, and mentally handicap, and young children don't contribute to society in general so does that justify murdering them in mass.

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That deserves its own thread. The obsession with [insert arbitrary group of people here] and [same as other insert but a different group] is something I've never been able to understand.
If you can't justify it with some other classification of a fellow human then it shouldn't be too confusing.
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Even if bill gates himself was administering the vaccines I'd be the first one in line for it.
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If you can't justify it with some other classification of a fellow human then it shouldn't be too confusing.
Why do have a hard on for abortion clinic then? Those mass murdering sobs at porn hub are directly responsible for the murder of billions of your fellow humans probably every second of the day.
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I forgot how butthurt you guys get if the source isnít kosher to everyone:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...eddit-ama/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSKBN21I3EC - gotta love how this one says itís a hoax then admits he said it halfway through the article

ď Bill Gates: The question of which businesses should keep going is tricky. Certainly, food supply and the health system. We still need water, electricity and the internet. Supply chains for critical things need to be maintained. Countries are still figuring out what to keep running. Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it.Ē
This raises some interesting points and my drift a bit off the original theme, but there is a segment of society, in the media and government that want to track and control the population more and more. Monitoring social media, our google searches, what we buy on line etc.

For the most part I don't give it much thought until they start talking about tracking my phone to ensure I'm physically distancing or not going to visit friends or going to my secondary residence. As the tech improves there is going to be a bigger and bigger push to use it to track us for a variety of reasons.

Back to the vaccine, I'd like to see one developed and tested quickly for a number of reasons. Obviously to prevent loss of life, but also so we can have the restrictions lifted. Although we will see how much back to normal we actually get and if governments try to maintain some of the power and control they have taken to save us from ourselves. Now, will I get the vaccine, likely although I voted no. Once a vaccine has been rolled out I won't be the first in line, I'm 59 and in pretty good health so I'm not anxious to be a test case. If the government says you must, well then that's a different story.

As I get older and wiser I trust government less and less. My two cents.
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Why do have a hard on for abortion clinic then? Those mass murdering sobs at porn hub are directly responsible for the murder of billions of your fellow humans probably every second of the day.
Sperms are not human and if you had a basic education in biology you would know that.

Btw did you find the justification with another group of humans?
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The initial attempts were learned from, the problems mostly seem to have come from the adjuvants. I'm pretty sure the Moderna and J&J vaccines have been through animals successfully since they have moved to Phase I in humans. It's certainly not a slam dunk, and ADE is something to watch for in later phases, but Moderna has already inoculated 45 people in Washington and no one has died yet.
I worked in the vaccine industry for Walter Reed and in the biotech industry for all of the major biological manufacturers for years. I will be first in line for the COVID-19 vaccine as soon as it is available. I also get my flu shot annually and all of my vaccinations are up to date.
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Sperms are not human and if you had a basic education in biology you would know that.

Btw did you find the justification with another group of humans?
Call them whatever you want, doesn't change anything, it's a moral question, not a biological one. Asking people to "choose another group of humans" is a false dilemma just like this poll.
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Call them whatever you want, doesn't change anything, it's a moral question, not a biological one. Asking people to "choose another group of humans" is a false dilemma just like this poll.
Sperm only have half the chromosomes so yes it a biological question and a pretty ridiculous comparision, guess you been watching too much Monty Python.
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I hope this becomes the case in canada. I also hope that at the same time they include all the things the anti vaxers missed without telling them
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Sperm only have half the chromosomes so yes it a biological question and a pretty ridiculous comparision, guess you been watching too much Monty Python.
Biologically yes, morally no, but that seems to be all you got so just keep keep beating on that straw man.
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Biologically yes, morally no, but that seems to be all you got so just keep keep beating on that straw man.
So base on your moral arguement what preventing us offing other unproductive part of our society
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Sperm only have half the chromosomes so yes it a biological question and a pretty ridiculous comparision, guess you been watching too much Monty Python.
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The poll make it seem like if you take the vaccine you agree it should be forced on everyone.

While I personally would get a vaccine if a good one comes out, I'm also not sure I would be in favor of forcing everyone to get the vaccine.
The latter is what Iím curious about, I donít think anyone has an issue with a voluntary vaccine.
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The latter is what Iím curious about, I donít think anyone has an issue with a voluntary vaccine.
oxy-moron? I guess MAYBE the flu, but that's more because last year's guess isn't all that good.
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I hope this becomes the case in canada. I also hope that at the same time they include all the things the anti vaxers missed without telling them
Ok Karen. Would you like to speak to the manager now?
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So base on your moral arguement what preventing us offing other unproductive part of our society
You keep arguing against your own made up nonsense. Did I say its ok to off them because they are unproductive members of society? No.

Would be nice to live in your little world though, where everything is black and white. Shit's soooooo much easier when there is no nuance. Abortion == killing old people, fuck! Well no one wants to kill old people so that solves that problem. Next!
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The latter is what Iím curious about, I donít think anyone has an issue with a voluntary vaccine.
I'm sure someone somewhere has an issue with it. Especially once you politicize it. We could all be in agreement voluntary vaccines are great, then Trump or Obama comes out and says they are all for voluntary vaccines... half those people will be yelling and screaming on the streets about how horrible voluntary vaccines are.
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I'm sure someone somewhere has an issue with it. Especially once you politicize it. We could all be in agreement voluntary vaccines are great, then Trump or Obama comes out and says they are all for voluntary vaccines... half those people will be yelling and screaming on the streets about how horrible voluntary vaccines are.
I'm fine with voluntary, mandate and force as you would put it is immoral.

I don't blame and shame individuals who choose not to take vaccine, I find it more of a failure of our institutions ability to justify it or losing so much credibility that people distrust them.
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I am not sure itís the fault of the ďinstitutionsĒ, I mean what more is needed to be said than showing data proving efficacy of vaccines. Yes, not every infection has a perfectly effective vaccine but many dangerous ones do (measles, rubella, polio, hepatitis B etc).

This topic of immunization is actively used for nefarious agendas and the fact that it has resulted in convincing gullible people against getting immunization is unfortunate. It is mind boggling to see this happen in a literate and developed country that is at the forefront of medicine.

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I'm fine with voluntary, mandate and force as you would put it is immoral.

I don't blame and shame individuals who choose not to take vaccine, I find it more of a failure of our institutions ability to justify it or losing so much credibility that people distrust them.
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I am not sure it’s the fault of the “institutions”, I mean what more is needed to be said than showing data proving efficacy of vaccines. Yes, not every infection has a perfectly effective vaccine but many dangerous ones do (measles, rubella, polio, hepatitis B etc).

This topic of immunization is actively used for nefarious agendas and the fact that it has resulted in convincing gullible people against getting immunization is unfortunate. It is mind boggling to see this happen in a literate and developed country that is at the forefront of medicine.
The fault of the institutions is for consistent lying, censorship, corruption, immoral, arbitray apply laws and regulation, karen type laws, and questionable behavior that results in that distrust.
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