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Hmmm...I posted my prior reply before I saw the wicked turn this thread took. Looks like the OP got the hell outta here quick!
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04-20-2015, 11:04 AM | #91 |
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This is a false statement. I have a bare-bones 320i with auto as a company car. It has one option - the sport package. MSRP was 34,900 or so IIRC. I objectively drove everything in this price range and made the decision based on fit and finish, driving and road feel. Honda and Toyota can't compare. They're ridiculously reliable, but in terms of build quality and driving experience you are dead wrong. Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus intentionally do not build in the quality that BMW does.
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I know because I set out to lease a somewhat-sporty family sedan (Accord Sport or Mazda6 w/6MT). The 320i offered a much better lease proposition. If you are buying and driving into the ground, sure, get a Japanese family sedan. But you can't beat a 320i Sport for ~$300/month on a lease. |
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04-20-2015, 11:18 AM | #93 |
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Plus if your like me and afraid of owning one of these cars outside warrantee, the 320i seems like a much more reasonable proposition in the long run. Less stuff to go wrong.
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04-20-2015, 12:41 PM | #94 |
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You're very smart to try to minimize your spending until you're firmly on your feet. I actually agree that the GTI is a pretty good alternative, but solid residuals make BMWs a very attractive lease candidate. Your BEST bet is to simply grab one of the subsidized specials when they pop up. They're pretty tough to beat.
Also, as an aside, don't get too excited about the included "maintenance" coverage. At the end of the day the maintenance you'll actually receive won't amount to much more than a few hundred dollars at most. Especially if you're taking a 36 month lease (usually most attractive). |
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Consider the following items that are included in a typical 3 year ownership w/aggressive driving style: - All 4 Brakes, BMW Service = $1,500 - Oil Change 3x $150 = $450 - Wiper Blades 3x $60 = $180 - Engine Air Filter 3x $70 = $210 - Cabin Air Filter 3x $70 = $210 - O2 Sensors (maybe) = $350 - Belt Replacement (maybe) = $250 =========================== USD Value is around ===> $3,150 Piece of mind that you only need tires for 3 years.. $$ PRICELESS $$ p.s. I know that most of you wouldn't consider spending $70 for an air filter or $150 for an oil change, yet this is what BMW feels is fair pricing in my area. |
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I wouldn't pay any of the prices i had listed above, but that doesn't prevent BMW from charging those prices if you want "Genuine BMW Service and Parts"
Heck my Mazda service costs are out of control if you go to the dealer. |
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Best pre-tax/nothing down Accord Sport lease deal on the Edmunds thread is $232/month. The best "Jalopnik Edition" 320i leases are in the neighborhood of $270/month. That's only a bit more than $1/day difference; if that difference is a hardship for someone, they probably shouldn't be leasing ANY new car.
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I wasn't going to give her in a stripped down, bottom-of-the-line BMW just because it's a BMW. It's a better car in nearly every way. Ok, so it won't "feel" as good to drive for an enthusiast compared to a 320i. Big deal...it's still not saying much. |
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In all seriousness, bluetooth audio and a backup camera are really options that sway you to choose a honda over a BMW? Also, more HP doesn't always equate to better performance. |
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But, yes...those features did sway me to chose the Honda instead of BMW for her. And the leather. And the heated seats. And the navigation system. And the audio hard-drive. And the collision warning. And lane departure monitoring. And an alarm. And all the other features, as useless as they may all be to me personally, which are not available on a BMW for $34-35K which are on a much cheaper Honda. LOL. The fact that this is even a comparison speaks volumes. What does your housekeeper drive? |
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I rather tell people i drive a Honda. I feel like a douche-bag every time i say i drive a BMW, like i immediately need to justify it by saying "I got it so i can go to the track in the weekends, and AWD / Family Safety" so that i don't come across looking like.. well a douche-bag.
When you say you drive a new Honda, most normal people will think your a smart person who wants a reliable car, but like's it be a little sporty in your driving habits. I had a base Accord LX twice in the last decade. They drive fantastic. <<ready for this>> Better than a BMW on rough roads, highway cruising, and when my wife is with me <<Come on..>> but the BMW is certainly better balanced in the corners. If i could buy a 50/50 Balanced Accord, around 240 hp, AWD or RWD, and some semblance of an exhaust note.. I would jump on it immediately. |
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Don't you think there's a reason why there's no RWD/AWD, 50/50 balanced, sports sedan offering from non-luxury brands out there? If VW, Honda, Ford, Toyota, and especially, Nissan, could produce one, and sell it for less than Audi, BMW, MB, Lexus, Infiniti--don't you think they would do it? Sure--some of those makes don't want to canibalize sales from their lux sibling brand, but if it could be produced at a cost to undercut lux makes, someone would make one. And I'd buy it too.
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Huh. Wonder why Mike_L got banned...
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