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      11-29-2022, 05:52 PM   #287
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Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 (No longer LL04 but has 229.51, 504/507 , C30. These are approvals for gas and diesel vehicles in the US).

You might be able to get away with any oil which has ACEA C3.
Awesome thank you, I noticed some other threads were saying Castrol edge as well?

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Fwiw, ~$200 is pretty standard for an oil change for BMW/Merc/Audi. My indie shop I think comes out to $18X for my 6 cylinder.

If you check your manual it should say something along the lines of "any oil meeting BMW Spec XXXX is suitable." As you said, you'll find a tonne of debate on the forums about which is the "best" oil but if you're not abusing the car, it really doesn't matter too much. Find one that is readily available to you, meets BMW spec, be diligent about following oil change interval (I'm not as familiar with diesel engines but it's 5000 miles for gasoline engines), and the car will serve you well for many years to come
Thats crazy.. For my cummins that takes 12-13 quarts of oil I can change it under $80 with full synthetic haha.
Either way i plan on changing it every 5-6k and i also drive like a grandpa so.
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Thats crazy.. For my cummins that takes 12-13 quarts of oil I can change it under $80 with full synthetic haha.
Either way i plan on changing it every 5-6k and i also drive like a grandpa so.
Ya. Edge 5w30 K. Similar approvals as M1 ESP 5w30. It's also API SP so it passes the latest API timing chain test for TGDI engines. This is in addition to the timing chain wear tests under the euro certs.
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Thats crazy.. For my cummins that takes 12-13 quarts of oil I can change it under $80 with full synthetic haha.
Either way i plan on changing it every 5-6k and i also drive like a grandpa so.
Ya. Edge 5w30 K. Similar approvals as M1 ESP 5w30. It's also API SP so it passes the latest API timing chain test for TGDI engines. This is in addition to the timing chain wear tests under the euro certs.
Irrelevant. API SP Timing chain test is done on Toyota A25 engine that doesn't have any timing chain issues.
All BMW specifications have timing chain test performed on N20 since 2018.
Generally for timing chain longevity you want thicker oil and lots of ZDDP.
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Irrelevant. API SP Timing chain test is done on Toyota A25 engine that doesn't have any timing chain issues.
All BMW specifications have timing chain test performed on N20 since 2018.
Generally for timing chain longevity you want thicker oil and lots of ZDDP.

It's a Ford 4-cylinder Ecoboost modified with an enlarged ring gap to increase blow-by to approx 7L/M. I don't know how this test compares to chain wear tests required by the European automakers.
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Irrelevant. API SP Timing chain test is done on Toyota A25 engine that doesn't have any timing chain issues.
All BMW specifications have timing chain test performed on N20 since 2018.
Generally for timing chain longevity you want thicker oil and lots of ZDDP.

It's a Ford 4-cylinder Ecoboost modified with an enlarged ring gap to increase blow-by to approx 7L/M. I don't know how this test compares to chain wear tests required by the European automakers.
Ford engine is used for LSPI testing as far as I know. BMW approval has specific test that addresses issues that were present with N20/26 engines. Also, MB and VW have their own timing chain tests. API in general is far behind in stringency compared to ACEA and especially specific manufacturer tests.
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