[talontdone]

Originally Posted by Stockb587955

I'm loving it, the car pulls harder and doesn't fall flat at the top end. Currently running mhd stage 2+ e40 map untill Mike Shoup has time to tune. Ive done a few logs to see if it runs safely on an ots map. Results are great little to no timing corrections and happy afr's.

That's great. When I installed the VTT GC turbo, I ran around town running BM3 Stage 2+ 93 Octane for a solid month or so before getting a custom 93 octane map. Car ran perfectly fine like your Pure 800 on OTS map.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by Aitom7

I gotta disagree on that one Kevin, DaW is close to new on the B58 platform, so it means they bought it recently. TU pump isn’t so new on the platform in comparison to Daw. People spending a good amount of cash and changing their mind few months after.
In my perspective the decision between a 500 and 2700$(approx) spend is different.
Upgrade and selling i agree but so little time between the buying and the selling is awkward IMO.
I think Daw make good products but time will say how reliable it will be.

Ok. Your perspective doesn't mean that owner's aren't doing it.

I know 2 people locally that have purchased their 340is and are on their 2nd turbo all in the past 12-18 months. Bought a car, modified stock turbo, upgraded turbo, and swapped turbo. In a less than 2-year time span.

One started with a GC and went to a DAW, the other started with a GC and when to a Pure. One is already putting his car up for sale.

I know several others that upgraded from Pure/DAW to Big Boost/DOCRace.

Or you can simply ask the owners. None of them are keeping it a secret.

So yeah, That's exactly how it goes. It's not just our platform either. Every community is littered with builds that have less than 5000mi on them for sale.

[kern417]

Came across another example in the B58 Discussion Facebook group, so just reposting to reiterate my point. He went from stock to GC to P800 and now sold the car to move on. I don't think we have many questions about how those turbos are.

Don't get too hung up on what other people are doing.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by Aitom7

I did catch it the first time, no need to reiterate every time somebody selling his DAW, cause you gotta keep some time for your social media life.
REITERATION could last for ever.

"Stock to GC to P800" is called evolution/common sense, selling now is kinda smart with the present market.

I didn't and i still don't think it is accurate to debate on that matter.
It seems that you really want to speak more about it.
I did get your point, but you don't seem to get mine.
"My perspective" yes it is; when i speak i am using the word "I", not talking for anyone but myself.

Keep on doing a good job with summing up B58 info/knowledge, but please don't lecture me on non car related "Don't get too hung up on what other people are doing" otherwise i'm gonna have to call you daddy.

I also "REITERATE" I think Daw make good products but only time will tell how reliable they are.

It would be awesome if you could add your outro every time you post/reply

Guess what.

It's a public forum.

You're not the only one that has your opinion.

You're not the only one that has replied to me (privately or publicly).

Posting publicly for everyone is what I do to spread information. I (sorry, capitalizing I doesn't resonate the same) is not all that matters. There are other's here too, and other's will search and find this thread in the future.

When people see anyone sell parts with less miles than your car does in 6 months, they get curious. Like I said, it's usually because they're either upgrading or selling their cars. So it does support my point.

Outro wouldn't be the same in gif format, but it's the thought that counts.

[WrxToBeamerGuy]

I haven't seen any mention of the pure850 and how it compares to the pure800. I'm installing the pure850 this weekend.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by WrxToBeamerGuy

I haven't seen any mention of the pure850 and how it compares to the pure800. I'm installing the pure850 this weekend.

Originally Posted by kern417

I made an updated guide for hybrid turbo options

Start at 9:31

Long story short, if you have it or can get it, cool.
If you already have a Pure800, not worth the upgrade.

[B58]

Originally Posted by Aitom7

I finally choose Turbosystems 2+ for my upgrade. I love it.
I’m in the process for a custom tune With Sameh Yehia.
Turbo is a little laggy when rpm is down but when it’s high that thing is a beast.
4th gear and higher are scary fast for me coming from stage 2+.
Can’t wait for the tune and meth to be added.
Done few datalogs but not sure if i did it how it is supposed to be.

I actually wanted the Turbosystems, but for some reason they stopped shipping to the United States so I ended up with the Pure 800. Glad you're enjoying it. How much you boosting or plan on boosting?

[Glemm1970]

Originally Posted by WrxToBeamerGuy

I haven't seen any mention of the pure850 and how it compares to the pure800. I'm installing the pure850 this weekend.

We had a lot of discussions about this in the group. We agreed that Pure 800 is still more convenient for stock motor, stock manifold, in the range of 20-28psi. And for those who go further, Pure 850 will be faster.

[WrxToBeamerGuy]

Originally Posted by Glemm1970

We had a lot of discussions about this in the group. We agreed that Pure 800 is still more convenient for stock motor, stock manifold, in the range of 20-28psi. And for those who go further, Pure 850 will be faster.

I agree with you Glemm. If I did it all again I would have chosen the Pure800 or the DAW

[Glemm1970]

I'm interested in comparing DAW Ultra Flow and Pure 800 Cast. Exactly 20-28psi from 100Ron to E50. Dorch 2. No WMI, No PI.

[B58]

In case anyone is interested. I have all my parts up for sale including the Pure 800 and DS2 HPFP. You can find the thread here: https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1968311

[Jnat]

What's the prevailing thought on the Vargas GC+ ??? Not a lot out there positive or negative other then to say the GC is def worth it and maybe the GC+ is not worth it?

[B58]

Originally Posted by Jnat

What's the prevailing thought on the Vargas GC+ ??? Not a lot out there positive or negative other then to say the GC is def worth it and maybe the GC+ is not worth it?

From what I read it spools real late. It's a pretty large turbo, but not sure on the wheel sizing. If you're looking for a good Hybrid turbo and want to save a few hundred I still have my Pure 800 for sale. It's the only thing left from parting out my entire car.

[G.Newt]

Originally Posted by Jnat

What's the prevailing thought on the Vargas GC+ ??? Not a lot out there positive or negative other then to say the GC is def worth it and maybe the GC+ is not worth it?

Probably the worst hybrid upgrade. Not as reliable as the lesser GC, DAW, and Pure offerings.

[M2C]

Hey guys, anyone here running following combo:
Turbosystems Stage 1 Upgrade Turbo
TU HPFP
300 Cell Downpipe
102 Ron

I‘m interested in the power figures as well as logs in comparison with the Stage 2 upgrade turbo. It might be the case that although both should be able to handle around 600hp (crank), the temperatures of the Stage 2 version should be lower compared to Stage 1 (when using a 300 cell downpipe) due to lower needed boost for the same amount of power.

What do you think?

[vcx]

Originally Posted by M2C

Hey guys, anyone here running following combo:
Turbosystems Stage 1 Upgrade Turbo
TU HPFP
300 Cell Downpipe
102 Ron

I‘m interested in the power figures as well as logs in comparison with the Stage 2 upgrade turbo. It might be the case that although both should be able to handle around 600hp (crank), the temperatures of the Stage 2 version should be lower compared to Stage 1 (when using a 300 cell downpipe) due to lower needed boost for the same amount of power.

What do you think?

I am also interested in knowing more about Turbosystems stage 1.

How does it compare to DAW 2.5+, in particular about lag ?

[enemigo13]

I don't think you will reach 600hp crank with TS1. 102 octane is cool as not such load on hpfp as E30-E40 but 600hp is way optimistic. This turbo is not laggy but I think you'll be set at ~550hp crank. Anyway still good upgrade as stage2+ (b58tu hpfp) usually gives ~490hp.

Originally Posted by M2C

Hey guys, anyone here running following combo:
Turbosystems Stage 1 Upgrade Turbo
TU HPFP
300 Cell Downpipe
102 Ron

I‘m interested in the power figures as well as logs in comparison with the Stage 2 upgrade turbo. It might be the case that although both should be able to handle around 600hp (crank), the temperatures of the Stage 2 version should be lower compared to Stage 1 (when using a 300 cell downpipe) due to lower needed boost for the same amount of power.

What do you think?

[morritse]

Originally Posted by enemigo13

I don't think you will reach 600hp crank with TS1. 102 octane is cool as not such load on hpfp as E30-E40 but 600hp is way optimistic. This turbo is not laggy but I think you'll be set at ~550hp crank. Anyway still good upgrade as stage2+ (b58tu hpfp) usually gives ~490hp.

600 crank isn't that much. Doesn't stock turbo max out around 500 wheel? Not that far off 600 crank...

[M2C]

My request was in Dezember last year. Meanwhile, I put my M140i xDrive on a stage 3 with the TS1.

Coming to your questions:
1.) It's no laggy at all. Max torque (750 nm) at 2,700 rpm already, so only around 200 rpm above stock turbo.
2.) The TU pump limits at first with around 580hp to the crank (102 RON only). But with an upgrade HPFP the TS1 can make 630-650hp. 620-630 hp with 102 RON only and 650 hp with E10-E20.

[vcx]

Originally Posted by M2C

My request was in Dezember last year. Meanwhile, I put my M140i xDrive on a stage 3 with the TS1.

Coming to your questions:
1.) It's no laggy at all. Max torque (750 nm) at 2,700 rpm already, so only around 200 rpm above stock turbo.
2.) The TU pump limits at first with around 580hp to the crank (102 RON only). But with an upgrade HPFP the TS1 can make 630-650hp. 620-630 hp with 102 RON only and 650 hp with E10-E20.

Thank you!

Is your tune a custom tune, or a generic OTS tune?

[M2C]

Custom 102 RON.

[vcx]

Originally Posted by M2C

Custom 102 RON.

thank you!

Have you tried to run just the turbosystems with just an OST map, with pump gas ?

if so, was it better than a stage 2+ map with stock turbo ?