[Tellmee]

Update: My local Mechanic quoted me 5800 for parts+labor and 1 year warranty for complete Engine replacement with one that was pulled from a car with 59k miles.

I am debating whether to bring it to the dealer and eat up 1k diagnostic fees to negotiate with BMW NA or just straight up get repair done from the local mechanic.

[Delija]

Did you hear any strange sound/noise before the major problem has occured?

[F30ed]

Originally Posted by Tellmee

My car just died at 53500 miles the same way...

Your profile indicates you drive "2011 E92 M3 ". Just want to make sure your case is N20 engine. Please confirm.

[Tellmee]

Originally Posted by F30ed

Your profile indicates you drive "2011 E92 M3 ". Just want to make sure your case is N20 engine. Please confirm.

yes and I also have 2013 F30 328i with N26 Engine.

[Tellmee]

Originally Posted by Delija

Did you hear any strange sound/noise before the major problem has occured?

I did not hear anything out of ordinary. I mentioned the air noise to the service manager in the past and he told me it is typical turbo noise.

[Tellmee]

Just heard back from my dealer in NJ. BMW NA will be providing me with new engine and parts required and I will need to pay 2500+tax for the labor. I guess it is fair deal... Will update on how it goes.

[scostu]

Originally Posted by Tellmee

Just heard back from my dealer in NJ. BMW NA will be providing me with new engine and parts required and I will need to pay 2500+tax for the labor. I guess it is fair deal... Will update on how it goes.

Damn.... that sucks. Not many miles on your car. Sounds like BOHICA for you.

Im glad my Cpo 2014 F31 is good for 5yr....75k miles.

[natesi]

$2500 is cheap considering the damage and you'll be getting a new engine. On the other hand, it's $2500 you had to spend due to their negligent engineering.

I suppose it's a judgement call, but I don't really consider this taking full responsibility for their mistakes nor "making the customer whole". It's $2500 you shouldn't have had to spend, IMO.

[Tellmee]

Originally Posted by natesi

$2500 is cheap considering the damage and you'll be getting a new engine. On the other hand, it's $2500 you had to spend due to their negligent engineering.

I suppose it's a judgement call, but I don't really consider this taking full responsibility for their mistakes nor "making the customer whole". It's $2500 you shouldn't have had to spend, IMO.

Completely agree with you. But it was also my call to drive "German Engineered" car on the road with expired warranty on it. I will take it as a good lesson and never going to make the same mistake. Next year, I will sell both my BMWs and either lease a German car or Buy japanese/korean car with longer warranties. You have no idea what I have went through the last couple days lol. 2500 for repairing it brings me to a relief compared to my worst case scenarios.

[enemigo13]

so, anybody has N20 with higher mileage than 60-70k miles lol? Or every engine just grenades after reaching this mark?

[Sedoy]

I hear your... I just spend $3186 on 2014 Benz CLA250 camshaft replacement . After driving about 100 mile check engine light is back for another reason related to evaporation system and they can't figure out the actual source of this new issue.

Originally Posted by Tellmee

Completely agree with you. But it was also my call to drive "German Engineered" car on the road with expired warranty on it. I will take it as a good lesson and never going to make the same mistake. Next year, I will sell both my BMWs and either lease a German car or Buy japanese/korean car with longer warranties. You have no idea what I have went through the last couple days lol. 2500 for repairing it brings me to a relief compared to my worst case scenarios.

[jcbkrmr]

Preface: My wife drives a 2013 X3 with 75k miles on it. We purchased the vehicle back on 8/30/2016 with 70k miles pre-owned from our local BMW dealership in Michigan.

This past Monday (12/05/2016), my wife was driving us to work (due to an unrelated car failure), we were doing 50-60mph when the vehicle started displaying "oil pressure too low" and "drivetrain malfunction" warnings. We turned off the main roadway in an attempt to make it back home (<1 mile) in limp mode when the engine petered out. We called roadside assistance and got it towed to the dealership. We now had zero functioning vehicles (mini cooper s under the knife in my garage undergoing engine rebuild and clutch replacement, and my dad's Silverado with a fully dead unjumpable battery in the driveway).

While on my way to the dealership I found this thread and started getting very worried. I was hoping that it was simply a piece of the chain guide that had broken off and stuck to the bottom of the oil sump. But as I kept reading the forum I started fearing the worst. Near the end of the day the dealership called to ask my consent to remove the valve cover and do a full endoscope, $1050. I resentfully consented and waited to hear back. Two days later I was told that the oil pump chain was broken, there was scoring in multiple cylinders and a crack in the block (the location of the crack was unclear). The end result: due to major damage caused by oil starvation we would need a new engine.

Now, when we bought the car it came with a drivetrain "warranty" that essentially amounts to an insurance policy that the dealership purchased to cover the car, but at the time I was unsure of the duration/milage limit of that warranty. I was thinking that it was probably 90 days. The astute among you will notice that the failure occurred 96 days after the date of purchase. However, after examining the purchase agreement I discovered that the warranty is a 10 Month/10,000 mile "Q-Certified" Powertrain warranty thank goodness.

So, it looks like I won't have to jump through any of the hoops with BMW NA like many others did. But, the "adjustor" from the warranty company has to verify the broken parts in person due to the scale and complexity of the failure/repair. I was told that this will most likely occur on Monday of next week, and will almost certainly result in full coverage for the replacement engine and labor. Fingers crossed. My wife and I are both recently graduated and really cannot afford $15k-$20k to replace the engine on a vehicle that was supposed to be the only reasonably "reliable" car either of us have ever owned.

I will post an update once I get more information or if I get screwed by the warranty company, whatever comes first. If anyone has questions, I'm sure that I left things out.

[enemigo13]

so anybody has alive n20/n26 with higher mileage than 75k?

[F30ed]

Originally Posted by jcbkrmr

2013 X3 with 75k miles on it. oil pump chain was broken

Very sorry for what happened to you.
Did you notice any signs of malfunction? Whining noise when engine is cold maybe? Some other foreign sounds or other symptoms?

[BlueCrabMafia]

These stories are exactly why I purchased my 328i CPO'd. I'm at 56K now and climbing rapidly. It'll suck when it happens, but at least I will be covered 100%.

For those of you that have experienced the engine failure, I suggest filing a case with the NHSTA. If enough cases are documented it could turn into a recall.

[F30ed]

Originally Posted by enemigo13

so anybody has alive n20/n26 with higher mileage than 75k?

On Autotrader bunch of 2012-2013 320,328 and X3 28i over 100Kmiles for $14000-$16000....

[enemigo13]

Originally Posted by F30ed

On Autotrader bunch of 2012-2013 320,328 and X3 28i over 100Kmiles for $14000-$16000....

probably all of them have another engines ?

[F30ed]

Originally Posted by enemigo13

probably all of them have another engines ?

Yeeh ....and some of them replaced engine more than once.
Next expected topic is "Regular Maintenance: N20 replacement every 50K". Maybe even DIY guide...

[enemigo13]

DIY guide would be useful for sure

Originally Posted by F30ed

Yeeh ....and some of them replaced engine more than once.
Next expected topic is "Regular Maintenance: N20 replacement every 50K". Maybe even DIY guide...

[BryanEX]

Originally Posted by enemigo13

so anybody has alive n20/n26 with higher mileage than 75k?

86k on mine, but I do alot of highway miles. (70%+), So far nothing wrong with it, even running a tune since 20k miles.

I still have 14k left on my extended CPO, so I'm going to ride it out and see how it goes. To this day, this car has had 0 issues that have left me stranded or out of a car outside of maintenance.

I think over all the oil pump failing is a crap shoot, but all cars should never be driven with "low oil pressure light" on. That's a death sentence for any car.

[STR8-6IX]

Originally Posted by Kronk

My F30 328i had been problem free since I took delivery of it in April 2012. Never had a problem and was always properly serviced and well-maintained.

Suddenly, I get a low oil pressure warning and the car went into limp mode. I pulled over and had it towed to the local BMW service center. They weren't able to get the engine started and I was told that I was lucky the car went into limp mode because that would prevent further engine damage.

The next day I was told they were able to get the engine turned over but that it was making strange noises indicating a timing issue and that they would need to inspect the valves. Later that day I get a call saying the camshaft was snapped and there was metal and plastic all over the engine and that it would need to be replaced. They're not sure what caused this. But I was quoted a price of over $20,000 for parts and labor to repair it.

Has anyone had something similar happen? Needless to say I am shocked that my well-maintained car essentially exploded on me without warning.

changing oil according to the computer is quite far from "regularly"
regularly is even 5000 miles. you blew up your engine because you didnt change the oil enough.

[natesi]

There's no evidence this is related to oil change intervals. davitd, in post 207 of this thread, said that he did his oil changes every 4 K and drove the car conservatively.