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      09-15-2021, 01:35 PM   #1
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PTF Race Intercooler And Charge Pipe Kit - Now Available!

We're really excited to finally be able to offer our PTF Race Intercooler and Charge Pipe Kit to our BMW F-series customers along with FREE shipping in the USA and Canada.

PTF Race Intercooler

The first and key hardware upgrade for all tuned BMW F series vehicles with N13, N20/N26 and N55 engines is the front mounted air to air intercooler.

Raising boost past stock on the OEM intercooler results in the DME (engine computer) to reduce power by reducing ignition timing due to increases in IAT (intake air temperature) and associated knock levels.

This PTF Race Intercooler features over twice the internal volume compared to the stock intercooler while also outflowing the stock unit by almost 20%. Intercooler features 9 charge rows in the lower section and 6 in the top stepped portion along with end tanks that have been CFD flow analyzed and made to include a vane to efficiently direct airflow into its high quality core.

PTF Race Intercooler fitment is confirmed on the following BMW F-series vehicles:

BMW 1-Series F20 F21
Model years: 2010-2018
Model: 114i, 116i, 118i, 125i, M135i (including x-drive models)

BMW 2-Series F22 F23
Model years: 2012-2018
Model: 218i, 220i, 228i, 230i, M235i (including x-drive models)

BMW 2-Series F87
Model years: 2015-2018
Model: M2

BMW 3-Series F30 F31 F34
Model years: 2011-2018
Model: 316i, 320i, 328i, 335i (including x-drive models)

BMW 4-Series F32 F36
Model years: 2012-2018
Model: 418i, 420i, 428i, 430i, 435i (including x-drive models)

PTF Charge Pipe Kit

One of the first and key hardware upgrades for all tuned BMW F series N55 vehicles is the charge pipe. OEM plastic can have issues handling higher boost levels and deteriorates over time breaking at the intake manifold connection.
This charge pipe kit consists of two main parts: 3" mandrel bent aluminum part that features 2 bungs (1/8th-27 NPT) for those looking to run methanol/water injection (blanking plugs included), along with a silicone piece with 4 layers of polyester/aramid reinforcement made to handle high temperatures and pressures.

Parts included in the kit:
  • Aluminum pressure pipe
  • Silicone hose
  • CNC machined hose adapter for the host to intercooler hot-side outlet
  • Installation hardware for the pressure pipe
  • Two standard hose clamps

NOTE: OEM charge pipe o-ring should be re-used or replaced during installation on an as needed basis, NOT included.

Fitment for the following BMW F series vehicle models:

BMW 1-Series F20 F21
Years: 2010-2018
Vehicle models: M135i (including x-drive)

BMW 2-Series F22 F23

Year models: 2012-2018
Engine: M235i (including x-drive), M235i Racing

BMW 2-Series F87
Year models: 2015-2018
Engine: M2

BMW 3-Series F30 F31 F34
Year models: 2011-2018
Engine: 335i (including x-drive)

BMW 4-Series F32 F33 F36
Year models: 2012-2018
Engine: 435i (including x-drive)

For all further details on the intercooler and charge pipe kit refer to protuningfreaks.com
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      09-15-2021, 02:12 PM   #2
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Fin density?
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We're really excited to finally be able to offer our PTF Race Intercooler and Charge Pipe Kit to our BMW F-series customers along with FREE shipping in the USA and Canada.

PTF Race Intercooler

The first and key hardware upgrade for all tuned BMW F series vehicles with N13, N20/N26 and N55 engines is the front mounted air to air intercooler.

Raising boost past stock on the OEM intercooler results in the DME (engine computer) to reduce power by reducing ignition timing due to increases in IAT (intake air temperature) and associated knock levels.
I totally agree that IC should be the first hardware upgrade for any tuned car, but doesn't BM3 also state that stage 1 is for a stock car, meaning no IC upgrade? Either you recommend an upgraded IC for any tuned car / raises in boost over stock or you don't.

Raising boost past stock on OEM intercooler does not automatically result in reduced engine power, either, that would only occur if IATs are higher enough and/or fuel quality is poor enough that there are actually timing corrections. It's entirely possible with cooler ambient temps/IATs and/or good fuel quality that you dont have reduced engine power with increased boost on stock IC.

I know this is all marketing speak to sell products but when people read suggestions like stage 1 being fine for a stock car (even though we all know you should upgrade the CP+IC first, exactly as this post suggests), they believe it. Then they read that they need colder plugs with a smaller gap, so they do that. Now they are going to read that they need a IC, so they buy that. At least provide people with accurate, consistent information, especially as a company that people look to for such information. Just trying to shed some light and provide context for those less experienced who may be reading this...
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Of course you can do a quick pull on stage 1 dead middle of winter and not see extremely high IAT but even then even in my 20-30F ambients in winter my IATs on the stock intercooler used to go up like crazy in say a 0-100mph or 130mph run. Stock intercooler is just garbage, well, maybe not garbage but try tuning and pushing even 13-15psi and its heat soak like crazy on any pull like 3-4-5 gear. My 2c.
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Of course you can do a quick pull on stage 1 dead middle of winter and not see extremely high IAT but even then even in my 20-30F ambients in winter my IATs on the stock intercooler used to go up like crazy in say a 0-100mph or 130mph run. Stock intercooler is just garbage, well, maybe not garbage but try tuning and pushing even 13-15psi and its heat soak like crazy on any pull like 3-4-5 gear. My 2c.
No doubt and i 100% agree and you will see i always recommend people upgrade IC if they are going to tune at all (and even if not if they plan to drive the car hard, in high ambient temps, etc). This isn't about that. It's about a company providing consistent and accurate messaging/information and not just saying things to sell products.
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Oh I totally agree but I feel its just your interpretation. Its a simple fact we all know over the years just how junk the stock intercooler is if at all serious about tuning and running the car year round. Mine is stored in winter and I drive an SUV most days in winter so summer performance and killer IATs was a no go for me. Iíd do one or two pulls and the car felt dead even on stock tune back when I had it that way.
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I'm stage 2 - and my car has the equivalent to the MAD 5" IC with 12 fins/inch - its adequate for stock tune, but literally gets overwhelmed in one pull with my tune installed. I can only imagine how abysmal the stock IC is - especially on the M2.
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Oh I totally agree but I feel its just your interpretation. Its a simple fact we all know over the years just how junk the stock intercooler is if at all serious about tuning and running the car year round. Mine is stored in winter and I drive an SUV most days in winter so summer performance and killer IATs was a no go for me. Iíd do one or two pulls and the car felt dead even on stock tune back when I had it that way.
You say that, but then i read posts all the time about people still saying and IC is not needed, or they are running stage 2 or 2+ (MHD) maps with stock IC and just DP+CP, etc. Same as people being misled about intakes. Anyways, no need to derail this thread more, i've said what i needed to on PTF's announcement so that anyone reading has the proper context.
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You say that, but then i read posts all the time about people still saying and IC is not needed, or they are running stage 2 or 2+ (MHD) maps with stock IC and just DP+CP, etc. Same as people being misled about intakes. Anyways, no need to derail this thread more, i've said what i needed to on PTF's announcement so that anyone reading has the proper context.
You can also run just a pure stage 2 turbo and not upgrade anything and just slap a stage 2 ethanol map on it too. Itíll run why not. If you park it for a year even better. You could flash a 93 map and run it on 91, sure!

Come on, lets be reasonable, or not, nonsense arguing the obvious TBH.
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You can also run just a pure stage 2 turbo and not upgrade anything and just slap a stage 2 ethanol map on it too. Itíll run why not. If you park it for a year even better. You could flash a 93 map and run it on 91, sure!

Come on, lets be reasonable, or not, nonsense arguing the obvious TBH.
I don't get what you are arguing about, do you think I'm saying people don't need an IC? Because i am saying the opposite; it's the first mod i recommend.
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Fin density?
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PTF is not very active on the forums, i'll get the info and post it.

These specs are needed with any intercooler release
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PTF is not very active on the forums, i'll get the info and post it.

These specs are needed with any intercooler release







the PTF intercooler also features a vane to direct air flow into the core making it more efficient


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Have you tabulated any of this to see how it compares to other race ICs? I couldn't really tell fins per inch from the photos.
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Have you tabulated any of this to see how it compares to other race ICs? I couldn't really tell fins per inch from the photos.
Looks to be 12 fins/inch, 10.35" tall, and 6" deep at step. So about a tad smaller in height and depth vs other Race Intercoolers, as well as a less dense finpack. So I'd expect this to be on par with something like the 5" high density core vs something like the BMS Race or VRSF Race.
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Looks to be 12 fins/inch, 10.35" tall, and 6" deep at step. So about a tad smaller in height and depth vs other Race Intercoolers, as well as a less dense finpack. So I'd expect this to be on par with something like the 5" high density core vs something like the BMS Race or VRSF Race.
Thatís just the outside fin density though, what about the inside? No one publishes those numbers it seems. You canít just judge an intercooler based on fin density. Thatís like saying one car makes more power because it runs 20psi vs 15psi on another without thinking what sort of turbo it is, what kind of IAT it sees. Its too oversimplified. For example, how tall are fins on one vs another also, fin density on inside, how much of the face is actually hit by oncoming air so its useful to intercooling. PTF claims 123% larger than OEM M2 intercooler and VRSF Race is 117%. This one has 9 charge rows in lower part of the core that oncoming air will actually hit and cool the most while VRSF has 8. All of these are far better than stock which I still feel is built fairly well for a stock car but if you tune its the first thing that must be swapped if at all serious about tuning.
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I responded to this, and the mods deleted my post. Either way, 12fins/inch is Ebay level quality.

All the other things literally do not matter - itís about surface area and nothing more.
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I responded to this, and the mods deleted my post. Either way, 12fins/inch is Ebay level quality.

All the other things literally do not matter - itís about surface area and nothing more.
Wow actually i saw that. Why did it get deleted? I read it and the individual responses.
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Wow actually i saw that. Why did it get deleted? I read it and the individual responses.
No, but Iím sure we can guess.
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Welp, I ordered one, lets see how well it works out!
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Welp, I ordered one, lets see how well it works out!
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But why paint/powdercoat it black? That adds a layer of insulation. Something you don't want on a device made for convection, not radiation.

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