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BMW Calgary is a Dinan dealer so it's convenient. But shockware really isn't enough so op would need to get the Dinan lowering springs and ride handling kit. At that point, it's better to just go B16 and do proper coilovers.
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There will certainly be an adjustment period, without question. They're considerably different cars. That said I'd consider being less stringent on your requirements. Like you said, there's very few cars that fit that bill. Who knows, you may get into a RWD naturally aspirated car and fall in love. It's fun to try new things sometimes, though if you like what you like and you're set on that, I can respect that too. Just saying it might be fun to branch out a bit. Go test drive some other things and see if anything else gets you excited, because if you're really dead set on those things, you might be in that E90 for a looong time (which isn't a bad thing, it sounds like a great car, but you can't drive the same car forever).
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I think Dinan shockware is awesome. It's certainly worth $200 and if its not enough, as you say, he can take more aggressive steps. |
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Does it have to be xdrive? If you can go rwd, upgrading to m3 lower control arm plus upgrading to the VAC monoball tension strut would drastically cut the "dead spot" in the middle of the steering.
Camber would be increased with the LCA as well which drastically increases turn in response. Though in terms of "feel" electric can never replicate hydraulic.
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Dunno- Porsche is doing a pretty good job with their electric steering systems. Not sure why the Munchners cannot be as good.
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When I got my F30 new, Comfort mode was a mess. There were no Adaptive Suspension F30s to test drive so I bought it not knowing how bad the stock programming was. Comfort mode was horrible. The car porpoised. I had to switch to Sport mode before even leaving my driveway. Sport was better, but still not acceptable to me. Dinan Shockware changed all that. Comfort is more like Sport. Sport mode is another level of tight. After that I swapped out the run flats and now the car is perfect for the way I drive. Here's a link to the Dinan site. Also, search this forum. You will read several testimonials, some of which are mine! https://www.dinancars.com/products/s...arts/D906-3001 |
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BMW is a company in the business of selling cars. They have gone from niche player to a major force in the automotive industry by catering to the mass market. As a driving enthusiast, that can be off putting. As a business-minded person, I totally get what they are doing. If the CEO's job description can be summed up in a sentence, it to maximize shareholders' profits. Apparently, E90-like steering feel doesn't not fit into that equation or they would be doing it. I wish they would offer steering that was more like hydraulic steering and I'm dumbfounded that they don't offer it as an option. But the percentage of drivers who want that feel probably small. Honestly, I might even be one of the converts. I used to love the E90 steering and driving stick. Now, I get in my brother's E90 335 and, while fun, all that shifting to get the engine where the ZF 8-speed already knows to be just seems like too much as a daily driver. I'd only want MT as a weekend car at this point. And my brother's E90 335 steering feels like I'm driving a truck in terms of effort now that I've gotten used to electric steering. I cannot believe I am saying this to be honest but there it is. BMW knows the old fashion enthusiast is literally a dying breed. My son took over 2 of my previous BMWs when he was younger. Now he drives a Tesla. He could care less about E90 steering. BMW doesn't want to put that feel in their base models because they know that the 1% that actually has to have that performance will pay for an M. In the meantime, they are selling a boatload of cars by catering to the masses. To answer the OPs question, I think the F30 is better than the E90 many ways as long as you can get comfortable with the change in steering feel. Feel free to flame away. I've got my suit on. |
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The F30s feel has some drawbacks. A lot of it is correctable if you swap a few parts.
Thing is, the car is capable and still a blast to drive. The same reviewers who bemoan the steering feel in one article will turn around and refer to it with gilded words when trashing the feel of another car, for example the F10 of the same era. I found this article to be an interesting read on the subject: https://www.apexraceparts.com/blog/f...m-a-track-day/
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How can you distinguish if your F30 has adaptive suspension or not? I apologize if someone already asked this. My 2016 340 xdrive has the different driving modes comfort, sport, an sport+. So, how would i know if it has adaptive suspension?
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One thing that I believe needs to be said is how different the F30 steering feels between pre LCI and post LCI. I drive a 2017 330i and the steering feels very good. It is somewhat light in comfort, but nowhere near how light the steering is on an Audi. In sport, it feels heavy and well weighted. I have not driven a pre-LCI F30, but I do think there's a significant difference in steering.
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Kies Motorsports VAC - F3X UPPER (THRUST) CONTROL ARM SET RWD Although you may still crave the hydraulic steering, the late model F3x are better than earlier versions. They have 5 bolt strut vs. earlier 3 bolt struts and the electronics are updated to give a better feel. Although the E9x was awesome when driving, it can be rather tight in parking areas where slow speed and tight turns are required. This is where the electronic steering can really shine as it is easier. Yet in BMW fashion, the steering is precise and will go where you point it, it is predictable and reliable. The 2017 is late model run and many early bugs are gone. I put Eibach Springs on mine to get rid of the xDrive gap and front rake. These were virtually the same stiffness yet the lower car just handles corners much more level and tight although regrettably no change in steering feel. My Son-in-law looked long and hard for several months for an Estoril Blue Manual xDrive. Two that came up had sold before he had all the information on the vehicles. The one he has now, was purchased from 800 miles away and was shipped to him. So I really suggest you jump on this if not already gone! If this does not have the MPPSK, have them add it and get a Dinan intake as this will now get this vehicle close to 370HP. The stock engine seems to flatten out above 5,500 RPM and the MPPSK will change that.
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