[Gen13 F36]

[QUOTE=jmg;23467532]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

i3 REx.

Are you seriously lol😂. I'm sad....lol. I DD my last M3....200k miles. I'm just in the point in time real life is kicking in ...bought an F36

[jmg]

[QUOTE=Gen13 F36;23467553]

Originally Posted by jmg

Are you seriously lol. I'm sad....lol. I DD my last M3....200k miles. I'm just in the point in time real life is kicking in ...bought an F36

What do you mean "real life?" I've been a car enthusiast for over 20 years. The F80 is my first real "eff you money" purchase. The nicest thing I drove previously was an Audi S4 25Quattro.

I committed my F80 for over a year in Los Angeles traffic 80 miles a day. My gas expenses were $420/mo.

The i3 has adaptive cruise, free charging for 2 years, and a carpool sticker. I save 20 minutes going and 15 coming home by using carpool. I charge at work for free and my gas bill went from $420 a month to around $100. The i3 is more comfortable, faster to 30mph, and the adaptive cruise allows for a stress free commute in the carpool lane. I just have to steer. It's awesome.

There are actually a lot of F80 drivers who have an i3 as a secondary car. They compliment each other quite well. I tried the 330e and the 530e, but both electric only ranges were minuscule and both cars felt heavy. The i3, on the other hand is actually still fun to drive. I much prefer it to my old 328i and the 330i loaners I've had.

I still have my F80 as my weekend car. Now that I have a commuter and the F80 is on the way out, I'll be looking for something more fun, ie two door coupe. i8, R8 RWS, M4, or 911.

[Gen13 F36]

[QUOTE=jmg;23467640]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

What do you mean "real life?" I've been a car enthusiast for over 20 years. The F80 is my first real "eff you money" purchase. The nicest thing I drove previously was an Audi S4 25Quattro.

I committed my F80 for over a year in Los Angeles traffic 80 miles a day. My gas expenses were $420/mo.

The i3 has adaptive cruise, free charging for 2 years, and a carpool sticker. I save 20 minutes going and 15 coming home by using carpool. I charge at work for free and my gas bill went from $420 a month to around $100. The i3 is more comfortable, faster to 30mph, and the adaptive cruise allows for a stress free commute in the carpool lane. I just have to steer. It's awesome.

There are actually a lot of F80 drivers who have an i3 as a secondary car. They compliment each other quite well. I tried the 330e and the 530e, but both electric only ranges were minuscule and both cars felt heavy. The i3, on the other hand is actually still fun to drive. I much prefer it to my old 328i and the 330i loaners I've had.

I still have my F80 as my weekend car. Now that I have a commuter and the F80 is on the way out, I'll be looking for something more fun, ie two door coupe. i8, R8 RWS, M4, or 911.

. I want to have 2nd car, but it dont make sense....2nd car payment, insurance, and not fun to drive. Nope not for me😂

Plus I have a bike😁

[jmg]

[QUOTE=Gen13 F36;23468034]

Originally Posted by jmg

. I want to have 2nd car, but it dont make sense....2nd car payment, insurance, and not fun to drive. Nope not for me

I'm saving $300 in fuel and thanks to the carpool sticker I cut almost 35 min of drive time a day. My M3 payment and insurance are all business expenses, so I can write them off more. I got a killer deal on the i3 and after accounting for fuel savings the net out of pocket is less than $100 a month including insurance to have the convenience of an extra car. Small price to pay imho. At $1200 a set for MPS4S tires on my M3, those tires can be saved for canyon runs instead of traffic crawls.

[Gen13 F36]

[QUOTE=jmg;23468085]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

I'm saving $300 in fuel and thanks to the carpool sticker I cut almost 35 min of drive time a day. My M3 payment and insurance are all business expenses, so I can write them off more. I got a killer deal on the i3 and after accounting for fuel savings the net out of pocket is less than $100 a month including insurance to have the convenience of an extra car. Small price to pay imho. At $1200 a set for MPS4S tires on my M3, those tires can be saved for canyon runs instead of traffic crawls.

If that the case, I'll just get a second set of wheels and tires for daily driving...lol.

Anyway....a good idea is someone bad idea😂

[jmg]

[QUOTE=Gen13 F36;23470508]

Originally Posted by jmg

If that the case, I'll just get a second set of wheels and tires for daily driving...lol.

Anyway....a good idea is someone bad idea��

If only tires cost the same as an i3. But stack all those savings that up and it's very attractive.

Not to mention I can drive the i3 into any walmart shopping center and not worry about dings unlike my F80.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Yes, but at the end of the day, if the tire isn't available and not intended to be available, then who cares?

In fact, I would argue that, at best, the SC6 is a version of "dumping". It's when you release a product at a price that's substantially lower than either its competitors or even manufacturing costs just to grab a few headlines. I would also argue that since it's been out for a while but still not available, then Continental is not actually serious about actually selling this tire.

If the SC6 was available for purchase, then perhaps the cost argument against the PS4S would hold weight. Basically, the SC6 is a fairy tale tire that doesn't exist in real life.

Doesnt exist, huh? Dumping?

Originally Posted by Polo08816

We buy American as much as possible here. Stop peddling that foreign garbage. Not in my America.

Too bad...you are so wrong.

BMW has started to equip USA F90 M5s with Continental Sports Contact 6 and Michelin Sports 4S.

The problem is, unlike the generic SC6, BMW Engineers found the MPS4S unacceptable for BMWs and made Michelin reformulate the tread and material for a special Star Version they have found acceptable.

That means the SC6 is available from your local BMW Dealer in the USA as they already have part numbers for certain models.

As for your MPS4S, the BMW techs who know more than you or me decided the generics were unacceptable to their standards.

And about buying American, also note the generic Michelin MPS4S are made in USA....but the BMW Star versions are out of France.

So much for your fabricated posts.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

Doesnt exist, huh? Dumping?



Too bad...you are so wrong.

BMW has started to equip USA F90 M5s with Continental Sports Contact 6 and Michelin Sports 4S.

The problem is, unlike the generic SC6, BMW Engineers found the MPS4S unacceptable for BMWs and made Michelin reformulate the tread and material for a special Star Version they have found acceptable.

That means the SC6 is available from your local BMW Dealer in the USA as they already have part numbers for certain models.

As for your MPS4S, the BMW techs who know more than you or me decided the generics were unacceptable to their standards.

And about buying American, also note the generic Michelin MPS4S are made in USA....but the BMW Star versions are out of France.

So much for your fabricated posts.

Cool story bro, no one cares about vaporware tires that are available in a few sizes at best.

[MacklinUSOB]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

The problem is, unlike the generic SC6, IK6SPEED found the MPS4S unacceptable for BMWs and made Michelin reformulate the tread and material for a special Star Version they have found acceptable.

As for your MPS4S, the BMW techs who know more than you or me decided the generics were unacceptable to their standards.

Source on that one.

Have had both star and non star rated of the same tire and could not notice a single difference, other than the star, of course.

I'll get some stickers for my sidewall to feel safe.

[perryo91]

Why cant we alll just get alooong

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by MacklinUSOB

Source on that one.

Have had both star and non star rated of the same tire and could not notice a single difference, other than the star, of course.

I'll get some stickers for my sidewall to feel safe.

You can start with the specs from tirerack.com posted above or the EU Tire Label of the generic v the BMW Star Version.

That is, unless you think Michelin is breaking EU law by lying on the legally required labels.

FACT: After testing, BMW does not believe the generic MPS4S perform as well as needed on BMWs.

FACT: After testing, BMW does believe the generic Continental SportsContact 6 does perform well on BMWs.

FACT: The generic SC6 beat the generic MPS4S in the Independent and prestigious Autobild Summer tire tests, which incidentally, was performed on the BMW platform.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

You can start with the specs from tirerack.com posted above or the EU Tire Label of the generic v the BMW Star Version.

That is, unless you think Michelin is breaking EU law by lying on the legally required labels.

FACT: After testing, BMW does not believe the generic MPS4S perform as well as needed on BMWs.

FACT: After testing, BMW does believe the generic Continental SportsContact 6 does perform well on BMWs.

FACT: The generic SC6 beat the generic MPS4S in the Independent and prestigious Autobild Summer tire tests, which incidentally, was performed on the BMW platform.

Whenever someone says "fact" nowadays, you already know it's fake news. If it was truly 'fact', you don't need to enumerate it.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Whenever someone says "fact" nowadays, you already know it's fake news. If it was truly 'fact', you don't need to enumerate it.

The only fake on this thread is you and your bogus made up posts.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

I've checked with DiscountTire and TireRack. They are not available. I've also checked Continental Tire's site and they don't have them for my sizing which is either the OEM 225/45/18 front and 255/40/18 rear or my square track setup of 255/40/18. It's pretty hard to prove a negative - that they are not available. The burden of proof is on the person who claims they are, in fact, readily available and mass produced.

Continental makes them in 5 sizes (only 19" diameter) according to their website:

http://www.continentaltire.com/produ...-24535zr19-93y

A tire only available in 5 sizes per the manufacturer! Lol. It's a fairy tale tire. Stop peddling this bullshit Continental salesman! No one cares about what's available for you in the EU.

And yet BMW Dealers in USA have in sizes available you claim do not exists.

So much for your FAKE NEWS posts.

Guess you will revert to claiming I photoshopped realoem.com and made up a legit BMW Part Number and then hacked BMW to insert it into their system.

You really are pathetic with your BS allegations in this thread.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

And yet BMW Dealers in USA have in sizes available you claim do not exists.

So much for your FAKE NEWS posts.

[areshbanaji]

You can't go wrong with the PS4S!

[goj]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

You can start with the specs from tirerack.com posted above or the EU Tire Label of the generic v the BMW Star Version.

That is, unless you think Michelin is breaking EU law by lying on the legally required labels.

FACT: After testing, BMW does not believe the generic MPS4S perform as well as needed on BMWs.

FACT: After testing, BMW does believe the generic Continental SportsContact 6 does perform well on BMWs.

FACT: The generic SC6 beat the generic MPS4S in the Independent and prestigious Autobild Summer tire tests, which incidentally, was performed on the BMW platform.

Your points are irrelevant if the tire doesn't come in OEM sizes For the F3x.

I am not sure why you get so aggressive behind the keyboard about these tires that are not even available for the F3x.

I love continents tires but any very slight performance gain by these SC6s is negated by the fact that the PS4S will no doubt last a few thousand miles longer

[FaRKle!]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

The problem is, unlike the generic SC6, BMW Engineers found the MPS4S unacceptable for BMWs and made Michelin reformulate the tread and material for a special Star Version they have found acceptable.

The real question is what area did they want to improve on the 4S, and what trade-offs were made for it.

I've talked with tire company engineers and they've told me it's extremely common for auto manufacturers to have a "star spec" tire on their cars from sub-compact econoboxes to high performance cars depending on what that manufacturer is after. For example, they might change the tread width so it matches the OE wheel width better, but not change the compound. Or another manufacturer will change the compound and give up grip so the tire lasts longer and their customers won't complain about going through tires quickly. It could also very well be that they wanted the tire to have more grip at the expense of tire life.

You really have to find out what actual trade-offs/gains were made, because it's not always "performance/grip."

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by goj

Your points are irrelevant if the tire doesn't come in OEM sizes For the F3x.

I am not sure why you get so aggressive behind the keyboard about these tires that are not even available for the F3x.

I love continents tires but any very slight performance gain by these SC6s is negated by the fact that the PS4S will no doubt last a few thousand miles longer

Again, yes they do

Don’t believe the BS posted by the uninformed in this thread by Michelin fanboys.

Likewise, as the cost is significantly lower, the SC6 lower mileage is negated.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by FaRKle!

The real question is what area did they want to improve on the 4S, and what trade-offs were made for it.

I've talked with tire company engineers and they've told me it's extremely common for auto manufacturers to have a "star spec" tire on their cars from sub-compact econoboxes to high performance cars depending on what that manufacturer is after. For example, they might change the tread width so it matches the OE wheel width better, but not change the compound. Or another manufacturer will change the compound and give up grip so the tire lasts longer and their customers won't complain about going through tires quickly. It could also very well be that they wanted the tire to have more grip at the expense of tire life.

You really have to find out what actual trade-offs/gains were made, because it's not always "performance/grip."

By looking at the EU tire label we know. BMW and Michelin gave up wet performance for gains on dry performance. It also reduced fuel efficiency.

This is no different than the Generic MPSS and BMW Star MPSS.

It’s even more interesting as the Generic MPS4S in the Autobild test was Wet Performance. If not for that, the MPS4S would have probably tied the SC6 for first in the tests.

BMW and Michelin have actually downgraded the wet performance with the Star Version, but the BMW Engineers obviously found this more acceptable than the Generics.

I would note no such changes were required by BMW Engineers on the “generic” SC6.

[Cyanfall]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

By looking at the EU tire label we know. BMW and Michelin gave up wet performance for gains on dry performance. It also reduced fuel efficiency.

Hi,
I did not know the EU tire label exist and it seems like a much better system than US using. Can you recommand a website to check the EU label for all the tires like tirerack?

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by Cyanfall

Hi,
I did not know the EU tire label exist and it seems like a much better system than US using. Can you recommand a website to check the EU label for all the tires like tirerack?

All you need to do is go to any tire dealer website in the EU similar to tirerack and they should have the EU Label Specs for each tire.

topbanden.com is good.