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      04-04-2017, 02:25 AM   #23
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Sigh, so I went in today for my scheduled appointment and they said they couldn't do it because it wasn't annotated with an "X" next to the service record they printed out and that it wouldn't be covered by the original maintenance plan even though I'm at the one year mark. CBS says I have 2800 miles to go and they said that it trumps the 1 year/15000 mile thing. I'm currently at 14,700 miles and 1 year right now....

What really pissed me off is that the SA who made my appointment had said I should be good for an oil change and made me drive all the way over for nothing, he said he was looking at my service records I called and scheduled. I live in the next town over and it's a good 30 minute drive to get there, when I mentioned that the SA just shrugged his shoulder....makes me believe half of them don't understand BMW's policies at all....
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Honestly it's just more convenient to pay the extra bit of money to have the dealer do an oil change. I don't have to worry about waste plus having the dealer take care of it establishes a solid record for resale value.
I have never paid for it because it's always been covered under the maintenance plan.
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Sigh, so I went in today for my scheduled appointment and they said they couldn't do it because it wasn't annotated with an "X" next to the service record they printed out and that it wouldn't be covered by the original maintenance plan even though I'm at the one year mark. CBS says I have 2800 miles to go and they said that it trumps the 1 year/15000 mile thing. I'm currently at 14,700 miles and 1 year right now....

What really pissed me off is that the SA who made my appointment had said I should be good for an oil change and made me drive all the way over for nothing, he said he was looking at my service records I called and scheduled. I live in the next town over and it's a good 30 minute drive to get there, when I mentioned that the SA just shrugged his shoulder....makes me believe half of them don't understand BMW's policies at all....
That is exactly the opposite of my experiences. Time trumps mileage. If it doesn't, then what's the point of offering to change it at 1 year? I'd look for documentation to support yourself, or call bmwna
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That is exactly the opposite of my experiences. Time trumps mileage. If it doesn't, then what's the point of offering to change it at 1 year? I'd look for documentation to support yourself, or call bmwna
Called another dealer and they said 24 months or 15,000 miles for my particular car (apparently based on production month/year). But he said they can usually do it once the computer says 2,000 miles to go to the next oil change...guess I'll wait out the next 800 miles and then send it into that dealership.
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Sigh, so I went in today for my scheduled appointment and they said they couldn't do it because it wasn't annotated with an "X" next to the service record they printed out and that it wouldn't be covered by the original maintenance plan even though I'm at the one year mark. CBS says I have 2800 miles to go and they said that it trumps the 1 year/15000 mile thing. I'm currently at 14,700 miles and 1 year right now....

What really pissed me off is that the SA who made my appointment had said I should be good for an oil change and made me drive all the way over for nothing, he said he was looking at my service records I called and scheduled. I live in the next town over and it's a good 30 minute drive to get there, when I mentioned that the SA just shrugged his shoulder....makes me believe half of them don't understand BMW's policies at all....

hmmm that sucks. Probably try another dealer. I'm going in on Monday for brake fluid change because it was time. I had him checked my oil and he said I'm due for one too since it was performed a year ago. Brake fluid, oil change and in cabin filter being replaced.
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Sigh, so I went in today for my scheduled appointment and they said they couldn't do it because it wasn't annotated with an "X" next to the service record they printed out and that it wouldn't be covered by the original maintenance plan even though I'm at the one year mark. CBS says I have 2800 miles to go and they said that it trumps the 1 year/15000 mile thing. I'm currently at 14,700 miles and 1 year right now....

What really pissed me off is that the SA who made my appointment had said I should be good for an oil change and made me drive all the way over for nothing, he said he was looking at my service records I called and scheduled. I live in the next town over and it's a good 30 minute drive to get there, when I mentioned that the SA just shrugged his shoulder....makes me believe half of them don't understand BMW's policies at all....

hmmm that sucks. Probably try another dealer. I'm going in on Monday for brake fluid change because it was time. I had him checked my oil and he said I'm due for one too since it was performed a year ago. Brake fluid, oil change and in cabin filter being replaced.
I had oil change, cabin air filter, and wiper blades done under maintenance plan. The original ones were still good IMO but you get new ones every year.
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CBS says I have 2800 miles to go and they said that it trumps the 1 year/15000 mile thing.
Bull. I did my first yearly change at 4900 or so, my second at 8800, no hassle from the dealer. The deal is x miles or 1 year, whichever comes first.
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      04-04-2017, 04:42 PM   #30
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Called another dealer and they said 24 months or 15,000 miles for my particular car (apparently based on production month/year). But he said they can usually do it once the computer says 2,000 miles to go to the next oil change...guess I'll wait out the next 800 miles and then send it into that dealership.
Yes, I think 24 months / 15k was the schedule for '12 and '13 models. They changed to 12 months / 10k with '14.
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Bull. I did my first yearly change at 4900 or so, my second at 8800, no hassle from the dealer. The deal is x miles or 1 year, whichever comes first.
You can do your own additional oil changes, but don't reset the CBS so you can continue getting the free ones as well.
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There might be a different calculation/interval for the AH if it can run on pure electric some of the time. E.g. If you've done 5,000 miles on pure electric then you've only logged 9.5k miles on the engine out of 14.5k total. And they might be "easy" miles if the AH works like other hybrids and uses electric-only for the short low-speed trips. I have no clue how the AH works though, just speculating.

Anyway, starting with the F30 they do reset the service indicator for the 12 month low-mileage oil change.
That is a very good point. I have the 330e and it occurs to me, based on my driving, that when I hit 40K miles, the gasoline engine will likely only have been used for about 20K miles.

More complexity for sure in a hybrid but less drain on the gas engine.
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You can do your own additional oil changes, but don't reset the CBS so you can continue getting the free ones as well.
I didn't do any additional changes. I only drove 4900 miles in year one, 3900 in year two. All pleasure, no commuting.
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15,000 miles its way overdue for an oil change if you want to be the longterm owner...I dont care what that supposed BMW counter says.
10,000 is the max for me and even then I'd change the filters at least in between.
The fact they shortened it form 15,000 to 10,000 shows bmw corporate doesnt know what its doing.. and supposedly its tranny oil is lifetime.. BS
agreed... 15,000 miles is long overdue. I would change every 5000 miles.
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BMW LL-01 approved 5qts. of Castrol Edge 0w-40 is about $26 at Walmart.

That's what I use.
Walmart stuff isn't "F30" spec anymore. You must have got some REALLY old stock. I researched that late last year, can't remember if the spec incremented, or if it dropped off the USA version.

Plus just changing your oil doesn't guarantee that warranty will be upheld anymore. With that said, I do keep a quart of the non-approved walmart oil in the trunk. I don't burn any oil, but it's better than none if I'm travelling.
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may be a stupid question but how can you tell and be absolutely sure that the Dealer actually changed the oil? if you can not see the color of the oil on a dip stick and see if its dirty or clean how do you know if they "FORGOT" to change the oil? Is there any other way to tell if it was really changed ?
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may be a stupid question but how can you tell and be absolutely sure that the Dealer actually changed the oil? if you can not see the color of the oil on a dip stick and see if its dirty or clean how do you know if they "FORGOT" to change the oil? Is there any other way to tell if it was really changed ?
Not really. I just look for evidence like the engine cover being wiped clean to remove dust prior to oil change, maybe if you're paranoid you can inspect the oil filter to see if you can tell if it was just changed or the rubber gasket. I think they replace the drain plug as well so maybe you can tell if it's new. Maybe evidence the oil was drained recently? Anyway, if they didn't and something happens, just make sure you have documentation that it was changed on the invoice and you paid for it so you're covered. Even if you're no longer under warranty, the maintenance and repairs have some sort of 12 month guarantee (or maybe it's 6 months, I'm not sure). I went in for an oil change yesterday and they forgot to reset the iDrive, so I did it myself, but I'm pretty sure they did the actual oil change and just forgot the CBS.
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Walmart stuff isn't "F30" spec anymore. You must have got some REALLY old stock. I researched that late last year, can't remember if the spec incremented, or if it dropped off the USA version.

Plus just changing your oil doesn't guarantee that warranty will be upheld anymore. With that said, I do keep a quart of the non-approved walmart oil in the trunk. I don't burn any oil, but it's better than none if I'm travelling.
My N55 is a 2014 and it requires BMW LL-01 which the Castrol Edge 0w-40 meets.

If you have a 2016+ N55, it may require BMW LL-01FE.

Either way, I've met the manufacturer requirement for my model year. I'm at 75k miles on the N55 with no issues including track time. The car's powertrain is stock.
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My N55 is a 2014 and it requires BMW LL-01 which the Castrol Edge 0w-40 meets.

If you have a 2016+ N55, it may require BMW LL-01FE.

Either way, I've met the manufacturer requirement for my model year. I'm at 75k miles on the N55 with no issues including track time. The car's powertrain is stock.
2016+ is LCI and the engine is the B58 not N55. It uses the LL-01FE motor oil but the Castrol Edge can be used as a substitue in a pinch, like if you get the add 1 liter of motor oil message (which I haven't gotten so far).
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Walmart stuff isn't "F30" spec anymore. You must have got some REALLY old stock. I researched that late last year, can't remember if the spec incremented, or if it dropped off the USA version.

Plus just changing your oil doesn't guarantee that warranty will be upheld anymore. With that said, I do keep a quart of the non-approved walmart oil in the trunk. I don't burn any oil, but it's better than none if I'm travelling.

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My N55 is a 2014 and it requires BMW LL-01 which the Castrol Edge 0w-40 meets.

If you have a 2016+ N55, it may require BMW LL-01FE.

Either way, I've met the manufacturer requirement for my model year. I'm at 75k miles on the N55 with no issues including track time. The car's powertrain is stock.
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2016+ is LCI and the engine is the B58 not N55. It uses the LL-01FE motor oil but the Castrol Edge can be used as a substitue in a pinch, like if you get the add 1 liter of motor oil message (which I haven't gotten so far).
I don't think what I've said is incorrect.

My 2014 335i N55 states this in the owner's manual:

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You can add oils with the following specifications:
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BMW Longlife-01.
BMW Longlife-01 FE.
My GF's 2016 X3 35i has an N55 and it's spec is BMW LL-01FE based on the owners manual which I just checked again.

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Genuine BMW N55 Engine Oil Change Kit - MY2016 and on

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Genuine BMW N55 Engine Oil Change Kit - MY2016 and on. Kit includes Genuine BMW oil filter set w/ gaskets and 7 L of Original BMW TwinPower Turbo LL01FE 0W-30. Fits MY2016 and on vehicles with N55 engine including: F22/23 M235; F3x 335, 435; F10/07 535; F12/13/06 640; F25 X3 35i; F26 X4 35i, M40i; F15 X5 35i; F16 X6 35i.
They sell a separate package as well for the B58.

Genuine BMW B58 Engine Oil Change Kit - MY2016 and on

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Genuine BMW B58 Engine Oil Change Kit - MY2016 and on. Kit includes Genuine BMW oil filter set w/ gaskets and 7 L of Original BMW TwinPower Turbo LL14FE+ 0W-20. Fits MY2016 and on vehicles with B58 engine including: F30 340i, G12 740Li.

At the end of the day, is anyone getting their warranty denied because of what oil they're using as long as it conforms to one of those BMW specifications? For example, if a stock 2016+ N55 blew up, is using BMW LL-01 or BMW LL-01FE going to make the difference? I think we all know it's not. The two big areas BMW would look into are 1. was the car stock or 2. was there a sufficient amount of oil.

If the difference between BMW LL-01 and BMW LL-01FE was so huge that N55s were suffering catastrophic failures at an alarming rate due to oil differences, BMW would make the BMW LL-01FE spec retroactive, but BMW has not yet.

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At the end of the day, is anyone getting their warranty denied because of what oil they're using as long as it conforms to one of those BMW specifications? For example, if a stock 2016+ N55 blew up, is using BMW LL-01 or BMW LL-01FE going to make the difference? I think we all know it's not. The two big areas BMW would look into are 1. was the car stock or 2. was there a sufficient amount of oil.

If the difference between BMW LL-01 and BMW LL-01FE was so huge that N55s were suffering catastrophic failures at an alarming rate due to oil differences, BMW would make the BMW LL-01FE spec retroactive, but BMW has not yet.
My take is that LL-01 5W30 is OK on all BMW gasoline engines, the LL-01FE is for fuel efficiency and has 0W weight.

0W allows better lubrication at startup than 5W.

The W20 versus W30 makes a difference at operating temp, for now only B46/B58/LCI-N20 can use W20. Those engines that require W30 will need that weight to perform within spec at operating temp.

To summarize LL-01 5W30 and LL-01FE 0W30 should work for N55/preLCI-N20/N26, while LL-14FE 0W20 is specifically used for 46/B58/LCI-N20 only.
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Another update: just got off the phone with Rusnak BMW in Thousand Oaks, CA and they looked into my service records and promised they would be able to get me in for my oil change. Even they were confused why the other dealership said "No" to it.
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Another update: just got off the phone with Rusnak BMW in Thousand Oaks, CA and they looked into my service records and promised they would be able to get me in for my oil change. Even they were confused why the other dealership said "No" to it.
Make sure they reset your CBS after the oil change so you'll get your next oil change on time. Also keep your service records so you can show when you got your oil change in case the CBS shows you didn't and they try to refuse warranty claims due to non-maintenance. You can reset the CBS yourself if they didn't and you leave the dealership without checking if they did. You can press the trip reset button and hold it down a few seconds and it will let you reset it. The trip itself won't reset but it will appear to at first. Apparently this is a common enough occurrence that there are youtube videos showing how to reset it and I rented an F10 showing the oil change was way past due, so likely this was the case with that car. The rental car SA said she was certain it was done and they forgot to reset the CBS because they make sure to take care of those things.
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