Do BMW tires have a TPMS system inside the rim?

2017F30 · 11-13-2021, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billfitz

I've never found them to measure more than a half a PSI different than what the screen reads.

Agreed slight variation at best but a variation nonetheless. I guess I don’t view it as a 1/2 lb difference rather a 2lb difference. Already there examining brake pads and rotors, conditioning the sidewalls, so just part of the routine at this stage. Having said: absolutely technology for the W as opposed to not.

derek.megyesi · 11-19-2021, 08:51 PM

Update: I managed to find a new set on Kijiji here in Calgary and bought them. Guy bought them from Calgary BMW. I had BMW Gallery switch them over, but now I am getting a a TPM malfunction.

What would cause this? The summers are a staggered set of 19" but the winters are 18".

See below:

Summers - Staggered Fitment Sizes:
19"Inches
Front (225/40R19)

19"Inches
Rear
255/35R19
-----
Winters:
225/45R18

Could it just be the tech is some dumb kid and doesn't know what he is doing?

Billfitz · 11-19-2021, 09:14 PM

Are they the same transmitters as your car uses? Did you calibrate them?

Th3Walrus · 11-19-2021, 09:56 PM

Canadian BMWs don't have TPMS sensors in the wheels. They use the ABS sensors. My 2017 340i doesn't have sensors, and my wife's 2019 Mini Countryman doesn't have sensors. When you switch to winter tires, you have to go into iDrive and reset the monitoring while stopped, and then start driving.

If you are getting a 'TPMS Malfunction', you possibly have a car that originated from the states.

u1025195 · 11-19-2021, 11:56 PM

Yes, the TPMS is with the wheel, and not with the tyre. So you're all right if you use the same wheels.

derek.megyesi · 11-20-2021, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Th3Walrus

Canadian BMWs don't have TPMS sensors in the wheels. They use the ABS sensors. My 2017 340i doesn't have sensors, and my wife's 2019 Mini Countryman doesn't have sensors. When you switch to winter tires, you have to go into iDrive and reset the monitoring while stopped, and then start driving.

If you are getting a 'TPMS Malfunction', you possibly have a car that originated from the states.

Your wrong. Please get your information straight.

chowser51 · 11-20-2021, 06:04 PM

Did you try the reset tpms in idrive ?

Surprised the dealership didn’t do it for you.

Wires · 11-20-2021, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derek.megyesi

Update: I managed to find a new set on Kijiji here in Calgary and bought them. Guy bought them from Calgary BMW. I had BMW Gallery switch them over, but now I am getting a a TPM malfunction.

What would cause this? The summers are a staggered set of 19" but the winters are 18".

See below:

Summers - Staggered Fitment Sizes:
19"Inches
Front (225/40R19)

19"Inches
Rear
255/35R19
-----
Winters:
225/45R18

Could it just be the tech is some dumb kid and doesn't know what he is doing?

If it's BMW Gallery, that was your mistake. Those clowns are well, clowns...

If you are has TPMS, it isn't hard for them to pair them. But like all my experiences at that delinquent dealership, they break your car and then give it back to you expecting you to thank them.

As in this happen 3 times, including an incident trying to buy a new X5 in 2018, where they didn't want to go to their new lot to get us one to test drive, so they took us in a test drive on a used X5 with more mileage than the vehicle we were trading.

So... clowns... useless clowns...

If you paid them for that service, go back and demand it to be fixed. There is no reason they sent you out the door with it throwing errors (but, yeh, that was incident #2 for me with those guys).

derek.megyesi · 11-20-2021, 07:08 PM

Hi all,

I've spent the day calling around BMW dealers around Western Canada, and I am hearing different confusing results. One dealer quoted me $3455.68 (all-in), but the confusing thing is does this package contain the four TPM sensors? One place said that TPM is extra (depending on VIN).. so that would be about an extra $1000.00. Then another dealer I called said they use aftermarket TPM for about ~$100 each (so ~$400 + labor = ~$800). Finally, I called another dealer and they said that if the VIN requires that TPM is required, the price $3455.68 (the all on costs) INCLUDES TPM.

I just don't know what to do. I managed to get a deal off Kijiji for $2600.00, but these tires do not come with TPM. So, if I spend another $800-1000 on TPM then I about break even with buying them new for $3455.68.

I guess the main question is for $3455.68... does this include TIRES, RIMS AND TPMS...

Thoughts?

Derek

chowser51 · 11-21-2021, 09:18 AM

Did they not tell you what that cost include?

Not sure if you have something like tire rack or discount tire in Canada. Would be a cheaper route.

Billfitz · 11-21-2021, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chowser51

Not sure if you have something like tire rack or discount tire in Canada.

It took me all of ten seconds to find this:
https://www.thebestcalgary.com/best-tire-shops-calgary/

derek.megyesi · 11-21-2021, 11:24 AM

I find it amusing that people feel the need to provide their opinion without actually READING my post.

I asking if the $3455.68 (quoted from BMW) includes TIRES, RIMS AND TPMS...

Billfitz · 11-21-2021, 02:42 PM

Only BMW can tell you that. Why not ask them? Better yet, get a written quote. You should have done that in the first place, ten days ago. Hasta la vista.

chowser51 · 11-21-2021, 04:53 PM

That’s what I meant when I asked did they not tell you what that cost includes?

Who quoted you a price with no details?

We’re trying to help and you’re coming across as a never mind.

I’m out. Good luck.

derek.megyesi · 11-21-2021, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billfitz

Only BMW can tell you that. Why not ask them? Better yet, get a written quote. You should have done that in the first place, ten days ago. Hasta la vista.

The problem here is that BMW are themselves uncertain if that quote comes with the TPM ......

E30M CW · 11-21-2021, 11:51 PM

Derek ... first, take a few deep breaths.

I'm in Edmonton. I have the same staggered wheels for my summer tires, and I also have the same square set up for my winter tires. I also bought my winter tires and wheels from someone on Kijiji who received them from Edmonton BMW when he bought his car. I can't absolutely confirm if the wheels have the TPMS since I've never seen the wheel without a tire, but my car is a definite Canadian car because it doesn't have the secondary power outlet in the passenger footwell and it came from a dealership in Montreal.

I doubt it has the TPMS because I set my summer tires at a different tire pressure than my winter tires, and this past week when I installed my winter tires myself, I just drove my car without resetting the TPM system and absolutely no warning came up. If it had the sensors to know the exact pressure, it would have identified the different pressures. Nothing comes up because my winter tires and my summer tires have the same circumference, and since there's no difference in the rotation of the wheels, the system doesn't identify any problems. That aligns with what others are saying about Canadian cars relying on the ABS sensors.

Since the computer on Canadian cars doesn't seems to measure actual tire pressures, I doubt the wheels Calgary BWM is selling you has them. Even if they did, the system isn't reading them anyway and you're just paying extra for no benefit.

Seriously, save yourself $3500 and first try resetting the TPM System like others have suggested and see if that resolves the problem. Even if it doesn't, there's no reason to make a rash decision.

I get Winter is here. Edmonton got its first big snowfall last Monday and Calgary is forecast to get snow Tuesday. Still, you have a set of winter tires. Just use them for the time being and take some time to carefully consider your options. They are the correct size and are all even so using them won't cause any damage to the transfer case or differential. They will hold enough air pressure to support the weight of the car and they are round so they will work to allow you to drive the car in the snow.

Then, just take your time to decide if it's worth an extra $800 - $1000 just for the car to tell you when you have a flat, or if you really want to spend $3500 for a genuine set of BMW wheels.

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derek.megyesi M-Experienced 47 Rep 196 Posts Drives: 2024 BMW X5 xDrive50e AWD SUV Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Bellevue, Washington iTrader: (1) Garage List 2024 BMW X5 xDrive5 ... [10.00]	Update: I managed to find a new set on Kijiji here in Calgary and bought them. Guy bought them from Calgary BMW. I had BMW Gallery switch them over, but now I am getting a a TPM malfunction. What would cause this? The summers are a staggered set of 19" but the winters are 18". See below: Summers - Staggered Fitment Sizes: 19"Inches Front (225/40R19) 19"Inches Rear 255/35R19 ----- Winters: 225/45R18 Could it just be the tech is some dumb kid and doesn't know what he is doing?
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11-19-2021, 09:14 PM	#25
Billfitz Lieutenant General 8243 Rep 16,083 Posts Drives: '15 328iX GT Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New Hampshire iTrader: (0)	Are they the same transmitters as your car uses? Did you calibrate them?
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Th3Walrus Lieutenant 341 Rep 439 Posts Drives: 2020 X3MC Alpine White/Sahkir Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Ontario iTrader: (0)	Canadian BMWs don't have TPMS sensors in the wheels. They use the ABS sensors. My 2017 340i doesn't have sensors, and my wife's 2019 Mini Countryman doesn't have sensors. When you switch to winter tires, you have to go into iDrive and reset the monitoring while stopped, and then start driving. If you are getting a 'TPMS Malfunction', you possibly have a car that originated from the states.
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11-19-2021, 11:56 PM	#27
u1025195 New Member 3 Rep 10 Posts Drives: BMW 318d Join Date: Nov 2021 Location: Nuernberg iTrader: (0)	Yes, the TPMS is with the wheel, and not with the tyre. So you're all right if you use the same wheels.
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chowser51 Colonel 2025 Rep 2,805 Posts Drives: F33 430 and F39 M35i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cleveland, OH iTrader: (3) Garage List 2018 BMW 430i xDrive [0.00]	Did you try the reset tpms in idrive ? Surprised the dealership didn’t do it for you.
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derek.megyesi M-Experienced 47 Rep 196 Posts Drives: 2024 BMW X5 xDrive50e AWD SUV Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Bellevue, Washington iTrader: (1) Garage List 2024 BMW X5 xDrive5 ... [10.00]	Hi all, I've spent the day calling around BMW dealers around Western Canada, and I am hearing different confusing results. One dealer quoted me $3455.68 (all-in), but the confusing thing is does this package contain the four TPM sensors? One place said that TPM is extra (depending on VIN).. so that would be about an extra $1000.00. Then another dealer I called said they use aftermarket TPM for about ~$100 each (so ~$400 + labor = ~$800). Finally, I called another dealer and they said that if the VIN requires that TPM is required, the price $3455.68 (the all on costs) INCLUDES TPM. I just don't know what to do. I managed to get a deal off Kijiji for $2600.00, but these tires do not come with TPM. So, if I spend another $800-1000 on TPM then I about break even with buying them new for $3455.68. I guess the main question is for $3455.68... does this include TIRES, RIMS AND TPMS... Thoughts? Derek
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chowser51 Colonel 2025 Rep 2,805 Posts Drives: F33 430 and F39 M35i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cleveland, OH iTrader: (3) Garage List 2018 BMW 430i xDrive [0.00]	Did they not tell you what that cost include? Not sure if you have something like tire rack or discount tire in Canada. Would be a cheaper route.
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derek.megyesi M-Experienced 47 Rep 196 Posts Drives: 2024 BMW X5 xDrive50e AWD SUV Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Bellevue, Washington iTrader: (1) Garage List 2024 BMW X5 xDrive5 ... [10.00]	I find it amusing that people feel the need to provide their opinion without actually READING my post. I asking if the $3455.68 (quoted from BMW) includes TIRES, RIMS AND TPMS...
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Billfitz Lieutenant General 8243 Rep 16,083 Posts Drives: '15 328iX GT Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New Hampshire iTrader: (0)	Only BMW can tell you that. Why not ask them? Better yet, get a written quote. You should have done that in the first place, ten days ago. Hasta la vista.
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chowser51 Colonel 2025 Rep 2,805 Posts Drives: F33 430 and F39 M35i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cleveland, OH iTrader: (3) Garage List 2018 BMW 430i xDrive [0.00]	That’s what I meant when I asked did they not tell you what that cost includes? Who quoted you a price with no details? We’re trying to help and you’re coming across as a never mind. I’m out. Good luck.
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11-21-2021, 11:51 PM	#38
E30M CW Private 3 Rep 58 Posts Drives: 2015 335Xi Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Alberta iTrader: (0)	Derek ... first, take a few deep breaths. I'm in Edmonton. I have the same staggered wheels for my summer tires, and I also have the same square set up for my winter tires. I also bought my winter tires and wheels from someone on Kijiji who received them from Edmonton BMW when he bought his car. I can't absolutely confirm if the wheels have the TPMS since I've never seen the wheel without a tire, but my car is a definite Canadian car because it doesn't have the secondary power outlet in the passenger footwell and it came from a dealership in Montreal. I doubt it has the TPMS because I set my summer tires at a different tire pressure than my winter tires, and this past week when I installed my winter tires myself, I just drove my car without resetting the TPM system and absolutely no warning came up. If it had the sensors to know the exact pressure, it would have identified the different pressures. Nothing comes up because my winter tires and my summer tires have the same circumference, and since there's no difference in the rotation of the wheels, the system doesn't identify any problems. That aligns with what others are saying about Canadian cars relying on the ABS sensors. Since the computer on Canadian cars doesn't seems to measure actual tire pressures, I doubt the wheels Calgary BWM is selling you has them. Even if they did, the system isn't reading them anyway and you're just paying extra for no benefit. Seriously, save yourself $3500 and first try resetting the TPM System like others have suggested and see if that resolves the problem. Even if it doesn't, there's no reason to make a rash decision. I get Winter is here. Edmonton got its first big snowfall last Monday and Calgary is forecast to get snow Tuesday. Still, you have a set of winter tires. Just use them for the time being and take some time to carefully consider your options. They are the correct size and are all even so using them won't cause any damage to the transfer case or differential. They will hold enough air pressure to support the weight of the car and they are round so they will work to allow you to drive the car in the snow. Then, just take your time to decide if it's worth an extra $800 - $1000 just for the car to tell you when you have a flat, or if you really want to spend $3500 for a genuine set of BMW wheels.
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