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      01-09-2018, 04:11 PM   #221
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I just finished flashing Stage 0 - it took 27 min , using bimmer geeks pro cable

For power source, i used my other car to charge the bmw while flashing.

Didnt flash OTS Map , since i have the JB4 and will flash A BackEnd Map.


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$249 for the license and $99 for a map pack...all in all cheaper than JB4, without the cheap shitty wiring that falls apart on them, without tapping into OEM connections and causing them to go bad, and will actually remove the check engine light for catless downpipes.

I don't give a crap about resale value. It's ~$350 for a good running car without worry or cheap components. If you can't afford that, don't buy a BMW.
The newer JB4 does not require any taps nor have “wiring that falls apart.” I didn’t ask for your opinion on it, I simply asked if there was any option to resell down the line as competition offers. Thanks for not even remotely answering my question
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$249 for the license and $99 for a map pack...all in all cheaper than JB4, without the cheap shitty wiring that falls apart on them, without tapping into OEM connections and causing them to go bad, and will actually remove the check engine light for catless downpipes.

I don't give a crap about resale value. It's ~$350 for a good running car without worry or cheap components. If you can't afford that, don't buy a BMW.
The newer JB4 does not require any taps nor have “wiring that falls apart.” I didn’t ask for your opinion on it, I simply asked if there was any option to resell down the line as competition offers. Thanks for not even remotely answering my question
Read the first post by MHD it?s answered there. If you?re worried about release value then you should stick to the show and shine threads...
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      01-09-2018, 05:26 PM   #224
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The newer JB4 does not require any taps nor have “wiring that falls apart.” I didn’t ask for your opinion on it, I simply asked if there was any option to resell down the line as competition offers. Thanks for not even remotely answering my question
Trust me, it definitely has wiring that falls apart.
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      01-09-2018, 05:30 PM   #225
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I just finished flashing Stage 0 - it took 27 min , using bimmer geeks pro cable

For power source, i used my other car to charge the bmw while flashing.

Didnt flash OTS Map , since i have the JB4 and will flash A BackEnd Map.


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Hey, glad that everything went good!.

For flashing with jb4 installed, u had to switch to map 0 and then flash correct?

After you.flash the BEF, should.the JB4 stay in map 0?
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Would I have to remove my dinan software before flashing stage 0? I want to get set up for flashing stage 2+ and didn’t know if the dinan piggyback would cause issues on the stage 0 flash
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      01-09-2018, 06:50 PM   #227
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Would I have to remove my dinan software before flashing stage 0? I want to get set up for flashing stage 2+ and didnÂ’t know if the dinan piggyback would cause issues on the stage 0 flash
You should definitely remove it, at least to err on the side of caution
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And they are correct.

I was running stock gap and my timing was way off, I was asked if my plugs were changed recently and gapped to their recommended specs. I told them they had around 25,000km on them. I swapped the plugs and gapped to .018 and the timing has never been better, it actually fixed the low timing with no map changes at all.

It seems the sweet spot for higher boost is between .018-.020.

I trust the guys at PTF who have been doing this for a long time and tuning and testing thousand of cars with different plugs and gaps to know what they are talking about. If you really want to test the theory, run a OTS map on stock plugs and gap and then regap them to .018 - .020 and relog.
this is the MHD thread...BM3 has their recommendations....so be it...great...

MHD has their own...so keep your BM3 specs to the BM3 thread...

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kevinjt After the BEF is completed through the MHD app you just use your jb4 as you always would. The BEF is just allowing more parameters of the engine to be tuned that the DME can only do and the jb4 cant alone.
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      01-09-2018, 07:31 PM   #230
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i don't think its been two years. More like a year this month. I think first posts about his kit were made last January. but i could have missed a post.

What specifically would you like to know?

Can't really give a date of completion as the speed at which they send logs are what dictates that. But the kits have no fitment issues that i have seen except for a t needing to be made for DCT fitment which Jeff has already handled. RHD cars are currently unconfirmed fitment. Scans were done of the locations, but no physical fit tests were completed on those yet.

But i will be sure to post results and etc. when things complete. but there are out there.
Thanks, Justin. Interested to know the builds (including different EFR variants) of the cars that's being tuned and power goals of them.

PS2 needs some competition. Great to have you guys take on the job!
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Sorry, let me be a bit more clear. For stock turbo power ranges there is no need to go one step colder to the 97506's. Those plugs are one step colder than the common upgrades that we use on the N54 (yes, i know, different engine) which i have personally run up beyond 700whp with no issues. The plug we use on the N54 as upgrades over stock are 95770. The 97506's are 1 step colder than those.

Infact, i distinctly remembering a few times where i had N55 customer car run and log significantly better on the 95770 plug than on the 97506 plug. So that's another reason i don't really recommend going to a colder plug for stock turbo power. hell even PS2 type power levels.

However, you can pick whichever plug you wish to use and try them out. But for gaps, i try to never recommend a smaller gap than .022

When it comes to plug gaps, realistically you want to run the largest gap possible for each respective setup where spark blowout and corrections are minimal to none. Why? better combustion and larger spark front to ignite the mixture. Albeit, i do know the ignition systems on these cars are not the greatest, so people have become accustomed to small gaps. This platform runs some of the smallest gaps I've seen. as i tune on several other platforms. I have a 800+whp twin turbo and nitrous car sitting in my garage with a plug gap of .030 for reference. no issues.

I'm not saying PTF is wrong by anymeans, we just seem to have differing opinions on the matters.

Hope this helps.
I can fully support this. Been running factory BOSCH ZR5TPP33S at factory 0.03 gap for aound 30000km maxing out the PS2 on methanol - NO ISSUES!

The whole spark plug thing is over-hyped in my opinion!

My proof that the 97506 are not worth the money
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I just finished flashing Stage 0 - it took 27 min , using bimmer geeks pro cable

For power source, i used my other car to charge the bmw while flashing.

Didnt flash OTS Map , since i have the JB4 and will flash A BackEnd Map.


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27 mins! jeepers. Time to be on the lookout for a trickle charger
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This thread was extremely helpful in deciding between the 3 turbo options we have: http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50451

IMO i would never mess with a turbo that will have fitment issues, especially on the x-drive cars. That eliminates the Speedtech. The big boost is way too much money, although there may have been a price drop on one of their models. That leaves the classis PS2 option. IMO this guy is right. Why not set your goals at 450-500wheel? I cant imagine the PS2 will fail when you are running the boost levels to achieve those goals. If you are building a fun street car, I would say the PS2 is the way to go. Plus its a bolt on part!
Sorry to hijack,It will make power but you will be beating up your motor making it with PS2. You need to run alot of boost to make power. Pro is the fact that everything looks stock.So if you have a warranty in effect that's the main advantage I see. End price plus core charge I've seen members quote about 4k to $4200.00
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Hey, glad that everything went good!.

For flashing with jb4 installed, u had to switch to map 0 and then flash correct?

After you.flash the BEF, should.the JB4 stay in map 0?
To flash just unplug the JB4 from the OBDII port while flashing and plug it back in when done. No other maps changes or setting changes are required.


Right now since i am in Stage 0 - i went back to Map 5
But when i flash the BEF , i am not sure what the processes will be or which map should i use , Maybe @Twisted Tuning can answer this question ?
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27 mins! jeepers. Time to be on the lookout for a trickle charger
Since it's a one time long flash only , i didn't want to waste money and buy a Charger.
that's why i used my other care to keep the BMW on while flashing.

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Sorry to hijack,It will make power but you will be beating up your motor making it with PS2. You need to run alot of boost to make power. Pro is the fact that everything looks stock.So if you have a warranty in effect that's the main advantage I see. End price plus core charge I've seen members quote about 4k to $4200.00
With stock turbo you will have to push more boost to archive the same power on ps2 with less boost. So, who you think is beating more the engine?
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Sorry to hijack,It will make power but you will be beating up your motor making it with PS2. You need to run alot of boost to make power. Pro is the fact that everything looks stock.So if you have a warranty in effect that's the main advantage I see. End price plus core charge I've seen members quote about 4k to $4200.00
You do know that you run less boost to make the same power as stock turbo that needs to run much higher boost right?

Not to mention you also hold MUCH more power top end.

On pump gas (91 and 93) you can make 400-450whp easily, where on stock turbo you will need to run meth/e85 and not to mention, you're also maxing out the stock turbo, which is not safe at all.
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You do know that you run less boost to make the same power as stock turbo that needs to run much higher boost right?

Not to mention you also hold MUCH more power top end.

On pump gas (91 and 93) you can make 400-450whp easily, where on stock turbo you will need to run meth/e85 and not to mention, you're also maxing out the stock turbo, which is not safe at all.
Hows your PS2 setup treating you? Still on pump? Any new dyno numbers?
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Sent an email to MHD...but really curious to hear if they have any plug recommendations other than stock. Looking at the logs I've pulled thus far, it does not appear to have any timing issues. But that may change as the beta program evolves and the boost gets turned up.
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This thread was extremely helpful in deciding between the 3 turbo options we have: http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50451

IMO i would never mess with a turbo that will have fitment issues, especially on the x-drive cars. That eliminates the Speedtech. The big boost is way too much money, although there may have been a price drop on one of their models. That leaves the classis PS2 option. IMO this guy is right. Why not set your goals at 450-500wheel? I cant imagine the PS2 will fail when you are running the boost levels to achieve those goals. If you are building a fun street car, I would say the PS2 is the way to go. Plus its a bolt on part!
I agree with you and am very wary about fitment in my xdrive. I contacted Speedtech about that and I received this email from Speedtech on 12/29, looking forward to an update from them soon...

"The F chassis 8374 kit will fit on xdrive, but we need to verify waterpump hose routing for that specific subframe, due to tight clearances with the much larger turbo. We have that exact kit going on that exact car here in the next 3 weeks or so. After that we should be good to go for that configuration. I'll get back to you after that one is up and running."
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Well if you guys decide to make it N20 compatible you have my money and a lot of other's as well. Seems like the JB4 is somewhat unsafe for the N20 and everyone is slowly switching to Bootmod3, but they basically have a monopoly on the N20 flash tuning market and their product is more expensive than yours. Just sayin'
N20 is definitely on our radar.

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Any plans to release a web version of MHD flasher? so no need to buy android device
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No sorry. It's hard to beat the convenience of a mobile device, ajust a flash option and reflash, log on the go etc.

[QUOTE=ABPReader;22616245]Can't wait to read some feedbacks and to pull the trigger later this year ! If you some people have tablets to recommend that would great

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Any update on using jb4 to BEF mhd?
Terry (BMS) started to work on his maps. Twisted too.

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Stage 1 on a completely my stock 335i worth it? Lol
Of course!
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98 octane here. I'm licking my chops!
Reminder: 98ron is not 98 aki. So pls use the 93oct / 98ron variants.

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I’m between this and a JB4...the only thing I don’t like is lack of resale-ability compared to the JB4
Try to ask you this: why is the JB4 maker currently developing flash maps to "complement" the jb4?

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Hi, what would be the best file for me to purchase, i have a f30 335i PWG with a catless DP and ER Chargepipe.
You don't purchase a file, but you purchase a license to use a set of maps, including futures updates. In your case, the Stage 2 pack. Which also include stage2+, if you add a fmic you'll change map for free to 2+.


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Will there be anything in terms of resalability like BM3 offers?
It may come, but not at the current price point.

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Maybe its been covered, but does the "full unlock" give you the same abilities as an in person unlock like you need with BM3? I know BM3 will be offering remote unlock but this comes with less abilities.
The unlock is the file signature check. The same hack used to be injected by opening he DME. Now we can inject it directly through OBD. The rest is the same.

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Would I have to remove my dinan software before flashing stage 0? I want to get set up for flashing stage 2+ and didn’t know if the dinan piggyback would cause issues on the stage 0 flash
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