[Ajs_435d]

Originally Posted by PaulT@Evolve

Our Evolve-R cable is £156 inc VAT for our ECU Flash customers. It already flashes OBD on F Series cars once the ECU has been patched. The new development will allow us to do OBD without opening and patching it.

Yes which is pretty much where everyone else is at, once ecu is opened you can flash via Obd cable.

I'm on about the cable which doesn't require you to open the ecu the first time and remove tprot etc by bench flash. Thus read/write first time without opening the ecu up that cable is circa 1.5k and is already just come out.

[PaulT@Evolve]

Originally Posted by Ajs_435d

Yes which is pretty much where everyone else is at, once ecu is opened you can flash via Obd cable.

I'm on about the cable which doesn't require you to open the ecu the first time and remove tprot etc by bench flash. Thus read/write first time without opening the ecu up that cable is circa 1.5k and is already just come out.

Yes but our existing cable will be able to do that too.

[Mr Whippy]

It's just software improvements then.

Same as any other slave locked tools.


Either way it's good the obd flash from fresh is a thing now.

Should mean cheaper better remaps in the coming years

[Red F30]

Forgive my ignorance but what is the benefit of having an OBD remap as opposed to an ECU out job?

[Mr Whippy]

Originally Posted by Red F30

Forgive my ignorance but what is the benefit of having an OBD remap as opposed to an ECU out job?

ECU out is like a mechanic taking the engine out of the car and stripping it down to do the oil change because they don't know how to use the drain plug.

Now that ECU tool tuning companies are figuring out the protocols, checksums and encryptions etc, they can now access the ecu via obd.

It's much better because ecu out takes time and that costs money, and ultimately it's risky as the ecu can easily be damaged.



That said an obd write could be damaging, so you might still remove the ecu and access via obd pins on a bench where the power supply is perfect (no rises/dips etc as car shuffles power modes, lights on/off, iDrive on/off etc)

It's still easier and less risky than opening the ecu up and using bdm pins on ecu itself!

[Red F30]

Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

ECU out is like a mechanic taking the engine out of the car and stripping it down to do the oil change because they don't know how to use the drain plug.

Now that ECU tool tuning companies are figuring out the protocols, checksums and encryptions etc, they can now access the ecu via obd.

It's much better because ecu out takes time and that costs money, and ultimately it's risky as the ecu can easily be damaged.



That said an obd write could be damaging, so you might still remove the ecu and access via obd pins on a bench where the power supply is perfect (no rises/dips etc as car shuffles power modes, lights on/off, iDrive on/off etc)

It's still easier and less risky than opening the ecu up and using bdm pins on ecu itself!

Thanks for the reply

[PaulT@Evolve]

Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

It's just software improvements then.

Same as any other slave locked tools.


Either way it's good the obd flash from fresh is a thing now.

Should mean cheaper better remaps in the coming years

Yes but we have access to the first of these that is available for the end user to use not just tuning shops.

Our remaps are exactly the same as dyno graphs listed its just a different flashing method as you outlined above.

For us it just means less time to do the cars so we can lower our prices slightly. We had no problems opening and flashing ECU's as we have been doing this before OBD tuning was even a thing.

[Mr Whippy]

Faffing with ecu out and glue/seals and warranty concerns though... not ideal.

OBD is what BMW use to tinker with their own ecus so that is the way to go imo.

Ultimately we're tinkering with a few 1s and 0s so anything that lets us do it cheaper, faster and less risks is good news :-)

I'm looking forward to taking a look at some binaries for this engine.


Finding the EGR and DPF switches would be interesting :-)

[Ajs_435d]

Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

Faffing with ecu out and glue/seals and warranty concerns though... not ideal.

OBD is what BMW use to tinker with their own ecus so that is the way to go imo.

Ultimately we're tinkering with a few 1s and 0s so anything that lets us do it cheaper, faster and less risks is good news :-)

I'm looking forward to taking a look at some binaries for this engine.


Finding the EGR and DPF switches would be interesting :-)

I agree.

Let us know what you find.

[Kal101]

Originally Posted by PaulT@Evolve

Yes but we have access to the first of these that is available for the end user to use not just tuning shops.

Our remaps are exactly the same as dyno graphs listed its just a different flashing method as you outlined above.

For us it just means less time to do the cars so we can lower our prices slightly. We had no problems opening and flashing ECU's as we have been doing this before OBD tuning was even a thing.

Question if I may.

For us less technology savvy. Can you please explain how this would work?

I understand that this now means you can do remap via the OBD as opposed to removing and dismantling the ecu

Does this mean you send out a hand held device with which one can use to iupload the map as required a bit like the super chips bluefin ,or is it more of a simple cable that allows remote access.

Thank you.

[PaulT@Evolve]

Originally Posted by Kal027

Question if I may.

For us less technology savvy. Can you please explain how this would work?

I understand that this now means you can do remap via the OBD as opposed to removing and dismantling the ecu

Does this mean you send out a hand held device with which one can use to iupload the map as required a bit like the super chips bluefin ,or is it more of a simple cable that allows remote access.

Thank you.

We made a short video to explain the process.

[Mr Whippy]

Lol, how long till a win10 machine updates during a write haha :-)

Also BMWs turning their ignitions to various power usage stages complicates matters wrt battery drain over time.


If you get a bad write can you boot mode write on bench easily via obd?

[PaulT@Evolve]

Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

Lol, how long till a win10 machine updates during a write haha :-)

Also BMWs turning their ignitions to various power usage stages complicates matters wrt battery drain over time.


If you get a bad write can you boot mode write on bench easily via obd?

If you get a bad write just write again. Its very stable. We've pulled the plug our half way through and all sorts to upset it - not that we recommend this. Just writes again. Its not like the old ECU's that would brick if you got a bad write.

Worse case is is write in a full BMW update remotely via ethernet cable.

[Mr Whippy]

That's great to hear!

Much more reassuring then, buying a DIY cable and having you send files across!

Ie, customer can easily revert to standard for dealer visits etc.

[PaulT@Evolve]

We can now do BMW Diesel F Series at our HQ via OBD. Will take a month or so to add to our Evolve-R cable for end user use.

[JLR1969]

I would be interested to compare my DTUK 3 channel box against your OBD remap on your rolling road using my car

Be interested to compare the results, same conditions, same car, no excuses.

If the map proves to be better I will buy one.

Are you up for it?

[PaulT@Evolve]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

I would be interested to compare my DTUK 3 channel box against your OBD remap on your rolling road using my car

Be interested to compare the results, same conditions, same car, no excuses.

If the map proves to be better I will buy one.

Are you up for it?

Sure. Imran said you are old customer? So no problem.

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by PaulT@Evolve

Sure. Imran said you are old customer? So no problem.

From 2008 can you believe.

He took the map of my 320D so he owes me a remap

Will give you a call in the morning and we can set up a comparison

[PaulT@Evolve]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

From 2008 can you believe.

He took the map of my 320D so he owes me a remap

Will give you a call in the morning and we can set up a comparison

He has an uncannily good memory then!

Cool - speak in the morning.

[KCH1984]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

I would be interested to compare my DTUK 3 channel box against your OBD remap on your rolling road using my car

Be interested to compare the results, same conditions, same car, no excuses.

If the map proves to be better I will buy one.

Are you up for it?

Look forward to seeing the results of this! Fair play to evolve for accepting the challenge...but I reckon you might be lighter the cost of a remap when all said and done

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by KCH1984

Look forward to seeing the results of this! Fair play to evolve for accepting the challenge...but I reckon you might be lighter the cost of a remap when all said and done

The DTUK box has been faultless and the power delivery is excellent, if the remap is better then I will happily put my money where my mouth is.

Agree fair play to Evolve for standing by their products.

I hope they don't try and tempt me with anything else or it may be an expensive trip.

[A15X]

Hmmm this could be interesting! John are you still in warranty?