[JD6]

I have previously suggested on this forum that Corbyn would be potentially less damaging than Brexit, and that I would be prepared to risk a Corbyn government to avoid Brexit, as the lesser of two evils. While I still believe that Brexit is beyond stupid, I have now changed my position.

Labour's recent behaviour, in particular the £58bn off -the-cuff pledge to compensate women for the rise in state pension age, which happened a few days after the manifesto launch, suggests to me that he poses too great a risk. I understand the temptation to buy some votes, and all parties are guilty of that, but not for £58bn.

I live in a Conservative/Labour marginal, and will now be voting Tory. Boris is a contemptible, dishonest, racist piece of shit in my view, but despite that he's still preferable to Corbyn for me!

[Wills2]

I'm in the same position, tory/labour marginal (less than 500 votes in 2017) but I cannot vote for Corbyn he is beyond the pale in terms of his politics, which leaves me voting for Boris something I also don't want to do as he's a lying little shit.

I can't vote Liberal as I've decided the vote will be wasted there.

[Watsey]

I've never been in any doubt - I cannot, and will not vote for Labour/Corbyn. Free Broadband, nationalise UK rail and utilities, train ticket prices reduced by 30%, £58B for WASPI Women 'doesn't count against borrowing' because it's a one-off, increased taxes for anyone that earns a decent salary, hugely increased Corporation Tax (effects my business directly), inheritance tax rises, the farcical proposals to negotiate a 'better' Brexit deal whilst also planning to offer Remain in Ref2 - the list of repelling factors for me goes on and on.

I'm not saying Boris is a saint, but at least he wants to get on with it.

Although I agree with some of the LibDem proposals I do find their stance to unilaterally revoke A50 to be anti-democratic, and I believe that every LD vote increases the risk of a hung Parliament and yet more paralysis/bunfights or a lack of control and opposition to Labour's national bankruptcy agenda. A Labour-led Lib-Lab pact/coalition is not something I'm going to support.

December 12th can't come soon enough.

[SuperHamz]

Originally Posted by Watsey

I'm not saying Boris is a saint, but at least he wants to get on with it.

While I always agree with a lot of opinions or arguments when it comes to the election debate, but the "getting on with it" argument is really really stupid. Getting on with it isn't a solution to anything.

Even if on the slim chance Corbyn comes into power, realistically:

- if it's a minority Government/coalition, so he won't have full say on everything, because neither then SNP or LibDems will allow things to happen.

- if it's a majority Government, there would be enough moderate Labour MPs to stop extreme policies from being passed.

- there's no way of implementing the majority of policies within one parliament session, so it's likely that the public will vote the other way in another GE or Corbyn will have to step down as leader.

- undoing the shit not just from the last 9 years of Tory led austerity, but the "New Labour" years, the John Major years and even going as far back as the Thatcher years isn't going to happen overnight.

We live in a world now where the majority of us have spent most of our life (or for a lot of us, all of our lives) governed by centre right parties - I don't think anyone is under the illusion that Blair was left wing.

Couple this with a decade of let's face it, hard right policies, a shift to the "left" is only really going to bring us back to centre ground. Continuing on the current trajectory (i.e. getting on with it) is going to make things worse, not better. Corbyn or his socialist policies may not be the answer, but asking for more of the same is even worse in my opinion.

[Bibbles]

I'm definitely voting Lib Dem as the other two parties are just a bunch of absolute twats. The Lib Dems have cock all chance of winning where I am but I don't class it as a wasted vote as I wouldn't want to tell my kids I voted for either of the main parties and the damage they will do to this country.

Time to emigrate, this country is going backwards at pace.

[DB118D]

Originally Posted by Bibbles

I'm definitely voting Lib Dem as the other two parties are just a bunch of absolute twats. The Lib Dems have cock all chance of winning where I am but I don't class it as a wasted vote as I wouldn't want to tell my kids I voted for either of the main parties and the damage they will do to this country.

Time to emigrate, this country is going backwards at pace.

You should try it up here in Scotland............

The SNP have ruined just about everything

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by SuperHamz

but the "getting on with it" argument is really really stupid. Getting on with it isn't a solution to anything.

Indeed, it's a nice little strap line pedalled to the ignorant/believers, Brexit will go on and on and on....

He's a massive liar, totally untrustworthy and without morals, I always say if you want to see the real man see how he treats the people closest to him and look at his private life, he doesn't give a toss about anyone but Boris.

What a shit show.

[dazzapb]

Labour - sorry ‘momentum’ and their entryism will soon rid labour of the Moderates so I don’t buy that argument that labour moderates will save us. Jon Lansman will soon show the boot again to Watson - Lansman runs the shower that is labour now.

[gr4z]

Originally Posted by DB118D

You should try it up here in Scotland............

The SNP have ruined just about everything

And they are still forecasted to win 43 seats! Madness.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by JD6

I have previously suggested on this forum that Corbyn would be potentially less damaging than Brexit, and that I would be prepared to risk a Corbyn government to avoid Brexit, as the lesser of two evils. While I still believe that Brexit is beyond stupid, I have now changed my position.

Labour's recent behaviour, in particular the £58bn off -the-cuff pledge to compensate women for the rise in state pension age, which happened a few days after the manifesto launch, suggests to me that he poses too great a risk. I understand the temptation to buy some votes, and all parties are guilty of that, but not for £58bn.

I live in a Conservative/Labour marginal, and will now be voting Tory. Boris is a contemptible, dishonest, racist piece of shit in my view, but despite that he's still preferable to Corbyn for me!

I agree with pretty much all of that. I said long ago that the Lib Dems would get my vote, but similar to you, I am in a reasonably marginal Tory/Labour seat. A few thousand votes between them with LD about 30k behind.

It means a vote for the LDs is wasted, which is frustrating, but I'm tempted to vote for the tories to ensure Corbyn comes nowhere near power.

I'm also coming around to the view that a large Tory majority would mean something had to change in Labour. Either ousting momentum (unlikely?) or mass defections. In the long run either would be a good thing.

The last few years have left me despairing of our democracy though. A referendum won by lies, general elections called because of that referendum and the result neither respected or re-checked. As I've stated many times, I would prefer the latter.

It's very sad, though, that I feel that I cannot vote for the party I like the most, or dislike the least. The system really is geared to the big two. As soon as the campaign began, even decisions such as the leaders debates being between the big two made it inevitable that LD support would fade.

[Wills2]

I find incredible that we cannot find 350 sensible people to form a Gov and run the country, we're left with this lot headed by on one side a liar on the other a raving red trott.

I used look at the US and sneer a bit with The Donald in charge but we've caught it now, social media will be the undoing of the West.

[mcoops]

I'm glad the Lib Dems have a good shot in my constituency. I'm comforted by the fact that the local candidate actually seems like a normal, decent human being. I genuinely don't know what I would do if I lived in a Con/Lab marginal. Quite possibly I wouldn't vote, for the first time in my adult life.

[The0pportunist]

where I live it's tory followed closely by lib dems. I will be tactically voting for lib dems next week.

[2CRO4TV]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Indeed, it's a nice little strap line pedalled to the ignorant/believers, Brexit will go on and on and on....

He's a massive liar, totally untrustworthy and without morals, I always say if you want to see the real man see how he treats the people closest to him and look at his private life, he doesn't give a toss about anyone but Boris.

What a shit show.

Exactly my thoughts.
An example is the way the DUP were thrown under the bus to get the withdrawal bill through.

[1 AKY]

From my perspective and without being judgemental of others on here, it's a case of either casting your vote based on morals/ethics against with what's perceived to best for your wallet.

The question to ask is.....what do you place a greater value on?

[Cootie]

Originally Posted by gr4z

And they are still forecasted to win 43 seats! Madness.

Agree on both points. Nicola and the ‘sell my granny’ to get independence at any cost brigade. Ideological BS yet again, which seems to be the common thread across most of the parties currently.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by 1 AKY

From my perspective and without being judgemental of others on here, it's a case of either casting your vote based on morals/ethics against with what's perceived to best for your wallet.

The question to ask is.....what do you place a greater value on?

For me Corbyn has his own moral/ethical issues as well and that coupled with his kamikaze approach to economics puts the lid on it.

[ramparts]

You don't vote for prime minister.

Vote for whoever will best represent your local constituency and it's needs.

Our local mp excellent, and actually lives here !

[RobUK]

It really is a shit choice come the 12th...

[1 AKY]

Originally Posted by davidoff86

You don't vote for prime minister.

Vote for whoever will best represent your local constituency and it's needs.

Our local mp excellent, and actually lives here !

This is what a lot of people are forgetting. BJ or JC could easily pop their clogs the day they are (re)appointed PM.

The parties are more than just one person. Vote based on the values/policies that each party represents and promotes.....and don't be swayed by the self-interested media.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by davidoff86

You don't vote for prime minister.

Vote for whoever will best represent your local constituency and it's needs.

Our local mp excellent, and actually lives here !

Of course you don't, but you can place your vote for any number of reasons national or local, there is no right or wrong way.

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Of course you don't, but you can place your vote for any number of reasons national or local, there is no right or wrong way.

The important thing is you have your say, whatever that is.