[dkmesa]

Originally Posted by mintoo

It's ridiculous when you guys say the LCI 340i has rectified the issue from the pre-LCI ones.

I did an extensive test drive of the 340i and yes, it did had more drama going on (more noise, quicker throttle) but the steering and feel was not that different compared to my 335. In fact, the 340i steering was artificially tighter to begin with and there was not much difference between comfort vs. sport. Other than that, all the difference is incremental but not by a huge margin.

Either way, you gotta step up to an M or AMG car to get the best of BMW/Benz these days. The 3 series is very main stream, the other day I saw a granny driving a 340i M Sport (must be 60+ years old) and some soccer moms around town drive it too (especially 328i's).

Why is a granny driving a 340i relevant to anything? Older ladies can't have good taste in cars?

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by mintoo

It's ridiculous when you guys say the LCI 340i has rectified the issue from the pre-LCI ones.

I did an extensive test drive of the 340i and yes, it did had more drama going on (more noise, quicker throttle) but the steering and feel was not that different compared to my 335. In fact, the 340i steering was artificially tighter to begin with and there was not much difference between comfort vs. sport. Other than that, all the difference is incremental but not by a huge margin.

Either way, you gotta step up to an M or AMG car to get the best of BMW/Benz these days. The 3 series is very main stream, the other day I saw a granny driving a 340i M Sport (must be 60+ years old) and some soccer moms around town drive it too (especially 328i's).

That's holding the LCI to some really lofty standard, and then the part of "granny" driving an Msport, seems some odd attempt at diminishing what BMW did.
The LCI is NOT a new chassis. It has never been that.
What BWM did to help improving the handling and driving feel in the LCI is commendable. Where other manufactures would be happy with some slight styling tweaks, BMW went farther than most and the actual performance changes they made ARE noticeable, clearly noticeable.

I say that because I had my 2013 335i Msport for 3 years, and now have my 2016 340i Msport. The changes are POSITIVE not matter how much you seek to diminish them. BMW did something that other manufacturers wouldn't bother with and you want to brush it off as mundane and "so what?".
Well, you have that choice, but as the owner and driver of both pre and post LCI in near equivalent configurations, your opinion seems more based on not wanting to accept that the 340i IS BETTER than your 335i.
Well, in my experience, the 340i IS BETTER than the pre LCI 335i.

The reason for why there is less noticeable difference between "comfort" and "sport" with regard to the suspension, is because BMW changed the suspension with actual parts differences, and physical mounting locations.
They are also using a different steering rack to help improve the overall car.
"Comfort" mode is as cushy as before, but it's not better damped.
Is it what I would call "perfect"? No, not for me as I prefer my SPORT sedans to be more SPORT than sedan. But, I can't make myself believe the differences are either too minor or non existent, because the facts and reality easily prove that the differences are there, they are there on purpose, and they changes make for a better driving experience.

As for getting big and much more noticeable positive performance changes, that is what many of us are hoping for with the next chassis, which is where we expect those things to happen to a higher degree.

Oh, and a 60+ "granny" in an Msport, yeah ok. That might be more indicative of your neighborhood, because here in the Chicagoland area 335i//340i's are much much more rare. There are a good number of non sport Xdrives and a good number of non sport RWD's. Msport's are a rare sight.
That granny and soccer mom (supposedly) have good taste in wanting the highest performing 3 series this side of an actual M, which is not a very good daily driving car, unless one is a hardcore sports car driver. I think you threw that image in there to try and strengthen your negative POV on the LCI 340i.
You've got a great 335i. It's ok that the 340i is an improved version over your car, that doesn't make your 335i suck.
Well, unless we get to hear from a 328i Msport driver who thinks we 335i and 340i drivers are just wasting our money, because his car is the better handler.

[Araemo]

Originally Posted by RPM90

I just hope that along with the more obvious variant differentiation, BMW will also then give the Msport variants better and more differentiated tuning to Msport variants. Those who opt for an Msport variant should know that BMW gave it greater consideration as being a SPORT variant and not just a standard variant with slightly stiffer springs and a different badge.

I think they already do this... The 340i w/ m sport package (maybe only w/ track handling?) has extra radiators and cooling to keep up, instead of just being a higher performance engine and stiffer springs. It's more performance-focused than the base 320/330, but it's still not 'fully track-ready' like the m3 is 'supposed' to be (dinan's posts seem to suggest even the m3/m4 has cooling issues after a few laps).

[mbanks21]

I just want cooled seats

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by RPM90

That's holding the LCI to some really lofty standard, and then the part of "granny" driving an Msport, seems some odd attempt at diminishing what BMW did.
The LCI is NOT a new chassis. It has never been that.
What BWM did to help improving the handling and driving feel in the LCI is commendable. Where other manufactures would be happy with some slight styling tweaks, BMW went farther than most and the actual performance changes they made ARE noticeable, clearly noticeable.

I say that because I had my 2013 335i Msport for 3 years, and now have my 2016 340i Msport. The changes are POSITIVE not matter how much you seek to diminish them. BMW did something that other manufacturers wouldn't bother with and you want to brush it off as mundane and "so what?".
Well, you have that choice, but as the owner and driver of both pre and post LCI in near equivalent configurations, your opinion seems more based on not wanting to accept that the 340i IS BETTER than your 335i.
Well, in my experience, the 340i IS BETTER than the pre LCI 335i.

The reason for why there is less noticeable difference between "comfort" and "sport" with regard to the suspension, is because BMW changed the suspension with actual parts differences, and physical mounting locations.
They are also using a different steering rack to help improve the overall car.
"Comfort" mode is as cushy as before, but it's not better damped.
Is it what I would call "perfect"? No, not for me as I prefer my SPORT sedans to be more SPORT than sedan. But, I can't make myself believe the differences are either too minor or non existent, because the facts and reality easily prove that the differences are there, they are there on purpose, and they changes make for a better driving experience.

As for getting big and much more noticeable positive performance changes, that is what many of us are hoping for with the next chassis, which is where we expect those things to happen to a higher degree.

Oh, and a 60+ "granny" in an Msport, yeah ok. That might be more indicative of your neighborhood, because here in the Chicagoland area 335i//340i's are much much more rare. There are a good number of non sport Xdrives and a good number of non sport RWD's. Msport's are a rare sight.
That granny and soccer mom (supposedly) have good taste in wanting the highest performing 3 series this side of an actual M, which is not a very good daily driving car, unless one is a hardcore sports car driver. I think you threw that image in there to try and strengthen your negative POV on the LCI 340i.
You've got a great 335i. It's ok that the 340i is an improved version over your car, that doesn't make your 335i suck.
Well, unless we get to hear from a 328i Msport driver who thinks we 335i and 340i drivers are just wasting our money, because his car is the better handler.

The steering feel is improved in the 335i after swapping to PSS tires (flat).

So what I am saying is, handling-wise/feel-wise:
335i with PSS Flat tires > 340i with stock RFTs
MSPORT, 19'inch wheels both tested.

Handles better, more smooth, suspension feels great and so does the on-center feel. Changing the tires was the best mod ever.

Anyway, for me the 335i is a commuter car (and for running errands). I am looking at the M2 and M3 currently.

[zinner]

Originally Posted by dkmesa

Why is a granny driving a 340i relevant to anything? Older ladies can't have good taste in cars?

Every few weeks I see an middle aged woman driving a mint red supra on my commute in.

[tmdals0213]

Originally Posted by InControl

There are many sources, user feedback and common sense. Don't always believe everything you read. To simplify and pick a field which at first does not appear to be anything to do with assembly location, try google corrosion and front seats. One of many examples as is rattling and creaking mostly tied to non German manufactured vehicles.

my 340 was manufactured in germany.. it creaks like a MOFO.. makes me feel blessed the car has B&O stereo

[eluded]

Originally Posted by zinner

Every few weeks I see an middle aged woman driving a mint red supra on my commute in.

Sweet.

I too have noticed an abundance of older, maybe even elderly women driving 340s with M sport package. Strange

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Araemo

And I've been to and worked with too many companies where the reality of the employees does not match the reputation.

I guess it depends. I've seen plenty of examples that mirror this statement, but I've also seen the elite. The cream of the crop. The specialists. That group of people that create things that you know has 10,000 hrs of practice and honing behind it.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by InControl

Reasonable logic except for one big flaw. The reason not to wait for the g20 in our market is the manufacturing set in Mexico. I get globalization and many benefits of it, regardless, FINAL ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN GERMANY for BMW to regain quality and product control.

For a moment I thought you were from Texas...

[cmplaya]

Originally Posted by mbanks21

I just want cooled seats

i just want a car that doesnt creak like my grandma's bedroom door every time the pavement is slightly uneven or i turn the steering wheel

[cmplaya]

Originally Posted by dr335is

For a moment I thought you were from Texas...

how are they going to get the G20 through the wall?

[jmg]

Originally Posted by cmplaya

i just want a car that doesnt creak like my grandma's bedroom door every time the pavement is slightly uneven or i turn the steering wheel

Isn't this solved by some tape in your doorsills?

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by RPM90

That's holding the LCI to some really lofty standard, and then the part of "granny" driving an Msport, seems some odd attempt at diminishing what BMW did.
The LCI is NOT a new chassis. It has never been that.
What BWM did to help improving the handling and driving feel in the LCI is commendable. Where other manufactures would be happy with some slight styling tweaks, BMW went farther than most and the actual performance changes they made ARE noticeable, clearly noticeable.

I say that because I had my 2013 335i Msport for 3 years, and now have my 2016 340i Msport. The changes are POSITIVE not matter how much you seek to diminish them. BMW did something that other manufacturers wouldn't bother with and you want to brush it off as mundane and "so what?".
Well, you have that choice, but as the owner and driver of both pre and post LCI in near equivalent configurations, your opinion seems more based on not wanting to accept that the 340i IS BETTER than your 335i.
Well, in my experience, the 340i IS BETTER than the pre LCI 335i.

The reason for why there is less noticeable difference between "comfort" and "sport" with regard to the suspension, is because BMW changed the suspension with actual parts differences, and physical mounting locations.
They are also using a different steering rack to help improve the overall car.
"Comfort" mode is as cushy as before, but it's not better damped.
Is it what I would call "perfect"? No, not for me as I prefer my SPORT sedans to be more SPORT than sedan. But, I can't make myself believe the differences are either too minor or non existent, because the facts and reality easily prove that the differences are there, they are there on purpose, and they changes make for a better driving experience.

As for getting big and much more noticeable positive performance changes, that is what many of us are hoping for with the next chassis, which is where we expect those things to happen to a higher degree.

Oh, and a 60+ "granny" in an Msport, yeah ok. That might be more indicative of your neighborhood, because here in the Chicagoland area 335i//340i's are much much more rare. There are a good number of non sport Xdrives and a good number of non sport RWD's. Msport's are a rare sight.
That granny and soccer mom (supposedly) have good taste in wanting the highest performing 3 series this side of an actual M, which is not a very good daily driving car, unless one is a hardcore sports car driver. I think you threw that image in there to try and strengthen your negative POV on the LCI 340i.
You've got a great 335i. It's ok that the 340i is an improved version over your car, that doesn't make your 335i suck.
Well, unless we get to hear from a 328i Msport driver who thinks we 335i and 340i drivers are just wasting our money, because his car is the better handler.

All the suspension upgrades on the LCI showed up on late 2015 pre LCI models actually.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by jmg

Isn't this solved by some tape in your doorsills?

Just clean your door sills when you wash your car. Solves problem.

[SLOWER]

Originally Posted by pz619

The trunk is steel but the hood should be aluminum.

And will dent if anyone sneezes on it.

[cmplaya]

Originally Posted by jmg

Isn't this solved by some tape in your doorsills?

yes...but i'm switching cars in a month so i'm just going to deal with it

[cmplaya]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

Just clean your door sills when you wash your car. Solves problem.

it worked for a few days then slowly returned