[joewalton]

Originally Posted by Vegetable

Is feeling "long" a characteristic that we are supposed to look for when buying a sporty car? I get wide and low, but long?

Yes, long.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by joewalton

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Yes, long.

Agree.

http://cars.mclaren.com/featured-art...-longtail.html

[rolltidef32]

Originally Posted by Vegetable

Is feeling "long" a characteristic that we are supposed to look for when buying a sporty car? I get wide and low, but long?

Personally, I don't like "long".

I just said it felt long; have no idea if it really is longer than the F30, but like Joe said, the geometry gives such an optical illusion....

When turning a corner, I always fear jumping the curb or rubbing it. I may not even be that close, but again, it's the feel.

Even though the F30 was much larger than the E90, the car still felt compact, which was great.

I'll get used to the F32, but it's just taking longer than I'd expected. It's definitely not a sports car either. More of a GT or boulevarder. Makes a more attractive case for the 2 series.

Think my next ride may just be the M2, and if it can drop 100-200lbs from the 235i, it'll be the perfect, proper BMW.

[rolltidef32]

Originally Posted by joewalton

There's a little M-Sport envy that goes on from time to time, usually from those who got a Sport line, they make it out like the M-Sport is some attempt at poseurism, they'll say "it's just a Sport line with a body kit".

I look at it as the opposite. A Sport line is an M-Sport without the body kit. Can't see why anyone would want to take it off. When I see a Sport line on the road it just looks like a Luxury line with dark chrome trim, never understand why the owner didn't just get the M-Sport to begin with.

Well Joe, depends on when you got the car sometimes.

When I ordered my F30, it was Jan 2012, so there was no M Sport. That came in 2013. I chose to be a pioneer and reaped both benefits (first at my dealership to take ownership), yet sacrificed a few things like the M Sport package.

Overall, I loved my Sport Line, felt it was just enough, and the red piping throughout the dash and seats was pretty cool. The car was gorgeous and I loved her till the end. Very fun on the Dragon Tail.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by rolltidef32

Personally, I don't like "long".

I just said it felt long; have no idea if it really is longer than the F30, but like Joe said, the geometry gives such an optical illusion....

When turning a corner, I always fear jumping the curb or rubbing it. I may not even be that close, but again, it's the feel.

Even though the F30 was much larger than the E90, the car still felt compact, which was great.

I'll get used to the F32, but it's just taking longer than I'd expected. It's definitely not a sports car either. More of a GT or boulevarder. Makes a more attractive case for the 2 series.

Think my next ride may just be the M2, and if it can drop 100-200lbs from the 235i, it'll be the perfect, proper BMW.

I just drove a 235.......great fun and its available with MT. Small but clubs fit in the trunk and its quick. I have zero need for 4 doors.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by joewalton

Yes, long.

Maybe "streamlined" is better than "long". Regardless the size maneuverability is important, and 4-series is not too bad in that department, although 3-series seems a bit better than 4-series.

[snowghost]

Originally Posted by Vegetable

Exactly... and that's why I chose the 6 MT for my 435i, which is as slow as a 1986 Ford Taurus with the 2.5 N/A 4-cylinder, if not slower.

[IM2C]

Originally Posted by DHS

When you are delusional like Joe aka bj reality is not a factor. Put those M badges on and let your mind go where it wants.

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by rolltidef32

Think my next ride may just be the M2, and if it can drop 100-200lbs from the 235i, it'll be the perfect, proper BMW.

Dropping 100lbs should be easy. I'm hoping for 200+ to get around 3300lbs.

[nicknaz]

the extra cooling on the m sport is pretty key in my opinion for 35i owners who want to use the car for HPDE. Previously, the need to have m sport package to access the m sport brakes was important as well

[rolltidef32]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsche

Dropping 100lbs should be easy. I'm hoping for 200+ to get around 3300lbs.

Here in the US, dropping 100lbs from a production car that can still meet all of the crazy standards without excessive use of aluminum or Carbon Fiber panels is not easy at all.

Most of the time, you're lucky if you can shave 20-30lbs of sprung weight.

Not sure why BMW still used mostly steel. Yes, guys, I know aluminum fabrication and repair is much more expensive, but it saves a ton of weight. If the next car platforms are more modular, maybe they can mass produce the light stuff like that CFRP plant.

The 235i is a little pig; major reason I didn't buy it. Don't see why they couldn't get the little piggy down to about 3380lbs or so. The M2 should be no more than 3275lbs or give or take 60-70lbs.

[TankerJoe]

When I approach my 4er Msport from the front and press the fob to open it, the fascia just makes the car look like it's happy to meet me.
Then, when I climb in and crank it, I'm happy to meet it.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by rolltidef32

Here in the US, dropping 100lbs from a production car that can still meet all of the crazy standards without excessive use of aluminum or Carbon Fiber panels is not easy at all.

Most of the time, you're lucky if you can shave 20-30lbs of sprung weight.

Not sure why BMW still used mostly steel. Yes, guys, I know aluminum fabrication and repair is much more expensive, but it saves a ton of weight. If the next car platforms are more modular, maybe they can mass produce the light stuff like that CFRP plant.

The 235i is a little pig; major reason I didn't buy it. Don't see why they couldn't get the little piggy down to about 3380lbs or so. The M2 should be no more than 3275lbs or give or take 60-70lbs.

A little pig? It's a little over weight but less than a 4 and its a ball to drive. Way more fun than a 4.

[DJ Rocc]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

A little pig? It's a little over weight but less than a 4 and its a ball to drive. Way more fun than a 4.

Depends what your idea of "fun" is. 2 is way too small for me.

4 Msport all the way!!

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by DJ Rocc

Depends what your idea of "fun" is. 2 is way too small for me.

4 Msport all the way!!

If you can't fit in it that's different. It's way more fun to drive. 4 is a GT by comparison. Great car but totally different.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by rolltidef32

Here in the US, dropping 100lbs from a production car that can still meet all of the crazy standards without excessive use of aluminum or Carbon Fiber panels is not easy at all.

Most of the time, you're lucky if you can shave 20-30lbs of sprung weight.

Not sure why BMW still used mostly steel. Yes, guys, I know aluminum fabrication and repair is much more expensive, but it saves a ton of weight. If the next car platforms are more modular, maybe they can mass produce the light stuff like that CFRP plant.

The 235i is a little pig; major reason I didn't buy it. Don't see why they couldn't get the little piggy down to about 3380lbs or so. The M2 should be no more than 3275lbs or give or take 60-70lbs.

The M235 shares running gear with the (x)35i so there's not a lot of space to cut weight. Fenders, roof, hood really don't add up to all that much.

[rolltidef32]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

A little pig? It's a little over weight but less than a 4 and its a ball to drive. Way more fun than a 4.

Exactly bud, that's why I'm talking about making the M2 my next car.

Even the 228i, (Like it more since it's lighter and easier to toss) is a blast. The 2 series is the best car BMW has designed in about 15 years. Really wish they'd give the cars a temp gauge though, don't see why they cut it other than just wanting 2 series owners to feel/look primitive. There are a few BMW execs who I hate and can't wait until they're gone for making some of these half ass decisions.

Anyway, the 4 feels big, it's a pig too, but it's big, so I get it. The 2 is small, so I want it lighter. The Alfa 4C is now my sporty benchmark, even though that car will be broken down much more often than it runs.

[DJ Rocc]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

If you can't fit in it that's different. It's way more fun to drive. 4 is a GT by comparison. Great car but totally different.

Yeah I am 5' 10", with size 11 shoes, and can hardly make room now on the Dead Pedal now (toe room), let alone something smaller.

They are both different cars for different things, what I love about the 4 is that it can be either beast or cruiser whenever you want the change. The 2 is definitely no cruiser, and is always like a "hot-hatch". But like I said, if that 's what you want, more power to you, its a great car as well.

The GT is hardly in the same league as the the 4. LOL.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by DJ Rocc

Yeah I am 5' 10", with size 11 shoes, and can hardly make room now on the Dead Pedal now (toe room), let alone something smaller.

They are both different cars for different things, what I love about the 4 is that it can be either beast or cruiser whenever you want the change. The 2 is definitely no cruiser, and is always like a "hot-hatch". But like I said, if that 's what you want, more power to you, its a great car as well.

The GT is hardly in the same league as the the 4. LOL.

A "Beast"? ? Really?

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by rolltidef32

Exactly bud, that's why I'm talking about making the M2 my next car.

Even the 228i, (Like it more since it's lighter and easier to toss) is a blast. The 2 series is the best car BMW has designed in about 15 years. Really wish they'd give the cars a temp gauge though, don't see why they cut it other than just wanting 2 series owners to feel/look primitive. There are a few BMW execs who I hate and can't wait until they're gone for making some of these half ass decisions.

Anyway, the 4 feels big, it's a pig too, but it's big, so I get it. The 2 is small, so I want it lighter. The Alfa 4C is now my sporty benchmark, even though that car will be broken down much more often than it runs.

That's one whacked post. BMW execs are idiots because they pulled oil temp guages? Wtf do you really need that. A little dramatic?

[DJ Rocc]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

A "Beast"? ? Really?

Yep!

[nicknaz]

I think for a car like 235 that's marketed with an M on the trunk, pulling off the oil temp gauge does feel like an oversight.

speaking of the 235, isn't its curb weight of ~3,550lb pretty much the same as the 335?