[TouringPleb]

Originally Posted by Sennen

Give it 6 months and I suspect the 25% plus discounts will start to appear.

That's what I'm hoping. I'm in no rush to change, got another year in the 440i if I want.

Deals in general are rubbish at the moment. However Brexit and lack of a trade deal is a dark cloud on the horizon..

We shall see.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Sennen

I think the new 4 series looks great.

I can never understand why everyone gets so worked up about 0 to 60 times, does anyone actually drive like that from a standing start.

I think 30 to 70 times highlight a cars performance much better.

I agree the 0-60 times of cars like the M440i and M340i are influenced by the traction benefits of AWD off the line and I'd also agree it's not the most useful measure of performance. However, looking at the bigger picture these cars are getting to 100 from rest in under 10 seconds and whichever way you cut it that's fast; I suspect they're also pretty quick 30-70 which I agree is a more relevant measure, especially here in the UK.

To put it in perspective, these comparatively run of the mill machines have straight line performance that actually betters the supercars of the day when I was a lad (so 512 BB, Countach, etc). That obviously doesn't mean they're as involving or good to drive but IMO performance figures like that in everyday estates and coupes illustrate just how much cars have improved over the years....

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Sennen

I think the new 4 series looks great.

I can never understand why everyone gets so worked up about 0 to 60 times, does anyone actually drive like that from a standing start.

I think 30 to 70 times highlight a cars performance much better.

I agree, 30-70 is much more relevant to real world performance on UK roads.

Still it’s an impressive 0-60 time for what it is and I think it’ll do the 30-70 pretty quick too. The m340i 50-75mph is only around 0.2 secs off an F80 M3.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by JNW1

I agree the 0-60 times of cars like the M440i and M340i are influenced by the traction benefits of AWD off the line and I'd also agree it's not the most useful measure of performance. However, looking at the bigger picture these cars are getting to 100 from rest in under 10 seconds and whichever way you cut it that's fast; I suspect they're also pretty quick 30-70 which I agree is a more relevant measure, especially here in the UK.

To put it in perspective, these comparatively run of the mill machines have straight line performance that actually betters the supercars of the day when I was a lad (so 512 BB, Countach, etc). That obviously doesn't mean they're as involving or good to drive but IMO performance figures like that in everyday estates and coupes illustrate just how much cars have improved over the years....

Run of the mill machines I understand to a degree but don't forget RRP wise they are the cost of the last Gen F8X M3/4 cars so it's not unreasonable to expect that performance for the cost. Mid £60k cars before the famous BMW discount, ouch, more attainable than a super car of course but not quite run of the mill.

[Alscoob]

Quite like the 0-60 figures but in realworld driving it is irrelevant as it's more how the car performs overall in my book, no good having a rocket ship off the line if it can't take the B road twisties

In 2005 I had a family 4 door 2 litre saloon that would acieve 0-60 in 4.2 in standard trim and easily cope with B roads, they said it was ugly but by god nowhere near as ugly as this.

Is it me or have the blatently just copied the old A5 rear quarter in that image?

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Alscoob

Quite like the 0-60 figures but in realworld driving it is irrelevant as it's more how the car performs overall in my book, no good having a rocket ship off the line if it can't take the B road twisties

In 2005 I had a family 4 door 2 litre saloon that would acieve 0-60 in 4.2 in standard trim and easily cope with B roads, they said it was ugly but by god nowhere near as ugly as this.

Is it me or have the blatently just copied the old A5 rear quarter in that image?

Yep after grillgate, the rear 3/4 being a rip off from the A5 is my most observed comment from the Front Page general user comments.

[jenshb]

I think the new head of BMW design came from Audi, so he was apparently so pleased with his previous work he decided to copy it. Why the board of BMW didn't ask where the BMW design DNA was baffles me...

[flashollie]

The M340i touring or the M3 touring is likely to be my next motor.
I tend to buy cars 3 years old and keep them for 6.
My 335d will need to be sold at somepoint once the diesel is really on its way out and the G series drop to my price bracket.
As the 335d is offically the faster ever BM so I hoping the 0-60 times will be comparable with a remap once those are developed.....

[dopper99]

Guys, BMW are not designing their cars to please the British. Or even Europe for that matter.
We get this new shit BMW design language as seen across the majority of their models now because of this.....

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-of-bmw-group/

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

My kids love launch control.

I never tried launch control when I did have it. Suspect that I no longer have that feature

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

I never tried launch control when I did have it. Suspect that I no longer have that feature

Q7 launch works the same as my old A6 biturbo, and is surprisingly brisk.

[Grant_7]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

I never tried launch control when I did have it. Suspect that I no longer have that feature

You didn't miss out.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by Grant_7

You didn't miss out.

Launch in the 440i was rubbish. In my A6 biturbo it was mega, kids and wife screamed.

Lower torque in the petrol was partly to blame, but also launch revs were stupidly low. In the A6 diesel it held at 3,000 right in the power band. On the 440i it was 2,000 on a car that revved much higher. It just meant a big delay and then go, the opposite of launch in my Audi.

[TouringPleb]

Originally Posted by dopper99

Guys, BMW are not designing their cars to please the British. Or even Europe for that matter.
We get this new shit BMW design language as seen across the majority of their models now because of this.....

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-of-bmw-group/

I remember this stat coming out when the 7 facelift came out. Basically it was for the Chinese market who buy more 7s than the rest of the world put together.

[aquazi]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

Launch in the 440i was rubbish. In my A6 biturbo it was mega, kids and wife screamed.

Lower torque in the petrol was partly to blame, but also launch revs were stupidly low. In the A6 diesel it held at 3,000 right in the power band. On the 440i it was 2,000 on a car that revved much higher. It just meant a big delay and then go, the opposite of launch in my Audi.

My son loved the launch control on my 435d - proper rapid - or as he said - like a rollercoaster!

The M4 not so much - bit pointless without any decent traction!

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

A 600hp M5 does it in 3.6s, a 617hp M5C in about 3.4s. I think its becoming a bit silly, it doesnt make them great driving cars in the real world (if anything the M5 was too fast, I'd put my foot down gently as I thought and have to brake so I didnt hit the Golf R or whatever in front!)

I'd take a good car to drive over a very fast car any day .... its about the fun not the speed!

Your last point is spot on. 0-60 times are all very Top Trumps, tbh. If you can only use the sort of power in this latest M440i once in a blue moon, it's all rather pointless. How a car drives and handles is more relevant in real world driving. Which is why a 150hp Ford Focus is every bit as much fun to drive when pushed as my old 440i in my experience - if not more

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

Your last point is spot on. 0-60 times are all very Top Trumps, tbh. If you can only use the sort of power in this latest M440i once in a blue moon, it's all rather pointless. How a car drives and handles is more relevant in real world driving. Which is why a 150hp Ford Focus is every bit as much fun to drive when pushed as my old 440i in my experience - if not more

Must admit I can throw my old 07 plate Focus round the twisties better than my F30.

[330XDave]

Ford are my go to brand after BMW. Selling my missus 1.0 Ecoboost Fiesta right now, not sure why as it's a cracking car to drive!

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by 330XDave

Ford are my go to brand after BMW. Selling my missus 1.0 Ecoboost Fiesta right now, not sure why as it's a cracking car to drive!

Apart from the rust. The old saying goes, if you can’t find any rust on a Ford it’s because it’s hiding well

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by 330XDave

Ford are my go to brand after BMW. Selling my missus 1.0 Ecoboost Fiesta right now, not sure why as it's a cracking car to drive!

I had one of those for a while as my station car, great to drive, great engine and chassis.

Is it a case of swapping for something bigger or just because..? As frankly if latter I would talk her out of it!

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

Your last point is spot on. 0-60 times are all very Top Trumps, tbh. If you can only use the sort of power in this latest M440i once in a blue moon, it's all rather pointless. How a car drives and handles is more relevant in real world driving. Which is why a 150hp Ford Focus is every bit as much fun to drive when pushed as my old 440i in my experience - if not more

Not having a pop at you specifically TodmerdenLad but its great seeing all the professional drivers coming out to declare the 0-60 poor bench mark is something something outdated, something sublime handling feel something something track times (that you all do very regularly in your £60k BMWs) are more significant.
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[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

Your last point is spot on. 0-60 times are all very Top Trumps, tbh. If you can only use the sort of power in this latest M440i once in a blue moon, it's all rather pointless. How a car drives and handles is more relevant in real world driving. Which is why a 150hp Ford Focus is every bit as much fun to drive when pushed as my old 440i in my experience - if not more

I loved my old 440i, so don't want this to be perceived as "it's a bad car".

But I don't remember it ever putting a smile on my face that wasn't due to the engine. Motorway slip roads = Yes. B roads = No. It's one of probably only two cars I owned where I can't recall a "great-road blast". Awful understeer, or awful steering that gave the feeling of constant understeer. I hated roundabouts apart from kicking the tail on wet and empty ones. The bus is, genuinely, better.

Tens of thousands of miles in Mk1 and Mk2 Mondeos tell me that your Focus comparison is a harsh one though. BMW would have a hard job to come close

The 440i GC was a brilliant car that I would recommend to anyone, but therein lies its Achilles heel. (Pre LCI in my case)