[Hooded]

Originally Posted by ali0709

Honestly? I was thinking like at least £50 more... a week! (As i say, ive never had a nice car, let alone a 3.0L BMW so wouldnt know at all) And would that be even if I was just driving around town etc?

That's based on your 600 miles per month 50% motorway and the rest knocking about locally. You should manage the 600 miles on roughly one tank in the 20d, and about a tank and a third at most in the 30d. These are crude estimates of course and not accurately calculated but will be close enough to say there shouldn't more than £30 per month difference.
I've owned 2 320d's and now drive a 330d.

[ali0709]

Originally Posted by Hooded

That's based on your 600 miles per month 50% motorway and the rest knocking about locally. You should manage the 600 miles on roughly one tank in the 20d, and about a tank and a third at most in the 30d. These are crude estimates of course and not accurately calculated but will be close enough to say there shouldn't more than £30 per month difference.
I've owned 2 320d's and now drive a 330d.

Oh great. Having owned the 320 and 330d you probs the best person to talk to! Sorry the mileage estimate I gave before was wrong. Im moving houses and just realised my commute to work will be a lot more like 800-1000 miles a month. How much should I estimate extra on fuel for that sort of mileage? The help is much appreciated!

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by ali0709

Oh great. Having owned the 320 and 330d you probs the best person to talk to! Sorry the mileage estimate I gave before was wrong. Im moving houses and just realised my commute to work will be a lot more like 800-1000 miles a month. How much should I estimate extra on fuel for that sort of mileage? The help is much appreciated!

Maybe £50 per month, the difference in fuel Costs isn't massive when you are talking no more than 12k miles per year.

[Lincoln61]

Just picked up a 430d after always owning 320d's. Its night and day......It appears I have been driving tractors until today!

[goodbyalfa]

Originally Posted by ali0709

Hi. New to these Forums. Was just wondering if you still had the car?
Im in a very split decision between a 420d and 430d. As a car I know the 430d is miles better but I commute alot to work and need something which is fuel efficient - would regret getting a 3.0L to then find out im spending ALOT (like £100-200) more on fuel. I do around 600 miles a month on 50%Motorway 50%daily shopping etc and was wondering what I would be spending on fuel per month on average for both the 420 and 430d? Any help would be much appreciated!

I averaged 43.5mpg over the life of the car over 50k miles. You will get 50 in the 20d but when you factor in depreciation, the difference is peanuts. I would never ever choose the 20d option unless I had no other option. It also sounds like a tractor too...

[Jeff123]

I ran a 320d (177) E90 for 65,000 mies; a 325d (204) 3L E90 for 60,000 miles and now I have an F30 330d X drive. I have run that for 25,000 miles so far. All auto.

The 320d got around 10% better fuel economy than the others. The 325 and the 330 were similar MPG.

Insurance is slightly more expensive, and so is road tax.

Other than that, there is no other real difference in running costs.

In your case it's probably fear of the unknown costs that are making you uncertain. I was the same when I went from the 320d.

BMW's overall are cheaper to buy that the equivalent Audi/Merc/Lexus/etc. But - the equivalent model is faster. They have great engines IMO. They are cheap to insure and reasonable to service and repair.

I am tight - that's one of the main reasons that I buy them,

[ali0709]

Originally Posted by Jeff123

I ran a 320d (177) E90 for 65,000 mies; a 325d (204) 3L E90 for 60,000 miles and now I have an F30 330d X drive. I have run that for 25,000 miles so far. All auto.

The 320d got around 10% better fuel economy than the others. The 325 and the 330 were similar MPG.

Insurance is slightly more expensive, and so is road tax.

Other than that, there is no other real difference in running costs.

In your case it's probably fear of the unknown costs that are making you uncertain. I was the same when I went from the 320d.

BMW's overall are cheaper to buy that the equivalent Audi/Merc/Lexus/etc. But - the equivalent model is faster. They have great engines IMO. They are cheap to insure and reasonable to service and repair.

I am tight - that's one of the main reasons that I buy them,

you hit the nail on the head when you said 'its probably fear of the unknown costs that are making you uncertain'. That;s precisely right! Thanks for the answer! Roughly how much do you get from a full tank and how much does the full tank cost? Ive budgeted around £150 to do 800ish miles a month, is that enough?

[doncarlyon]

Im now on 3800 miles in a 420d gran coupe. Average mpg is 39.

On a run up to edinburgh from newcastle i got around 52mpg.

I do alot of start stop driving through newcastle on my commute followed my mixed A roads and its never been more than 39mpg. Maybe it needs a few more miles on it but i cant see the mpg improving much.

[Jeff123]

You are somewhere near. If anything you will probably be in pocket at that estimate.

If it’s all motorway, you will get mid to high 40’s; all urban and it’s mid 30’s. If you budget on 40 mpg you will be somewhere near.

[JD6]

I think the relative economy of the various engines 20d, 30d, 35d... depends a lot on your driving style. As a general rule the slower you drive, the greater the efficiency difference between those engines.

Before this 335d, I had an F10 520d, which with hindsight was a mistake for me. Apart from this, I have had only 6 or 8 cylinder cars for the last twenty years. Over 50k miles I averaged just 1mpg more in the 520d than in my current 335d, despite the cars weighing the same. The reason for this is that I drive outside the efficient range of the 20d engine, whereas with the 35d I am within the efficient range since I don't need to use such high revs to get the same performance. Obviously I could adapt my driving style, but I would prefer to choose the right engine

So for my driving at least, a small engine is a false economy, particularly as it means I will replace the car sooner.

[T8y]

Ive just gone from a 420d to a 430d xdrive and had a 435d in the past. The difference to me ( which I think is relevant because I drive the same way and the same areas in all 3) was 4mpg from the 420 to 430. So probably about 50 miles less per tank which equates to approximately £7.20 each fill. At a mileage of 800-1000 miles per month I would expect the difference to be circa £15 extra a month in fuel. This is nothing...one less takeaway a month. But the joy that extra £15 will bring is priceless!

[Techno 9000]

Originally Posted by T8y

... I would expect the difference to be circa £15 extra a month in fuel. This is nothing...one less takeaway a month. But the joy that extra £15 will bring is priceless!

About a thousand calories less then, and more (Driving) enjoyment....a winner.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by T8y

Ive just gone from a 420d to a 430d xdrive and had a 435d in the past. The difference to me ( which I think is relevant because I drive the same way and the same areas in all 3) was 4mpg from the 420 to 430. So probably about 50 miles less per tank which equates to approximately £7.20 each fill. At a mileage of 800-1000 miles per month I would expect the difference to be circa £15 extra a month in fuel. This is nothing...one less takeaway a month. But the joy that extra £15 will bring is priceless!

I found the difference to be a little more between a 320d and a 330d for me though. 900 miles would be around 2 tanks full in the 330d but only just over 1 and a half tanks of fuel in the 320d. Either way though the difference won't be massive cost wise over that kind of monthly mileage.

[T8y]

Originally Posted by Hooded

I found the difference to be a little more between a 320d and a 330d for me though. 900 miles would be around 2 tanks full in the 330d but only just over 1 and a half tanks of fuel in the 320d. Either way though the difference won't be massive cost wise over that kind of monthly mileage.

Exactly. To me the extra £15 is well worth it because the difference between the two engines is night and day.

[Lincoln61]

If you need to worry about 1/2 a tank of fuel per month you should be driving a more mundane car IMHO

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Lincoln61

If you need to worry about 1/2 a tank of fuel per month you should be driving a more mundane car IMHO

Agree, but To be fair I don't think he's worried about half a tank of fuel difference, .. he's more worried about the difference between the 2 cars being £100 -200 per month in fuel costs, but now knows that won't be the case

[Alice Coupe]

Originally Posted by Lincoln61

If you need to worry about 1/2 a tank of fuel per month you should be driving a more mundane car IMHO

^^^Exactly this.

Originally Posted by Hooded

Agree, but To be fair I don't think he's worried about half a tank of fuel difference, .. he's more worried about the difference between the 2 cars being £100 -200 per month in fuel costs, but now knows that won't be the case

Keep focusing on the minutia. You’ll make more friends.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Alice Coupe

^^^Exactly this.



Keep focusing on the minutia. You’ll make more friends.

Well we all know you don't have any

[Soul_Glo]

Life is short just get the car you want and enjoy it.

[doncarlyon]

For some people, 15quid a week more in fuel could be the difference between getting a car and not bothering. Doesnt mean they dont deserve it.

Im sure plenty of us have skinted ourselves for a car and would do it again.

[T8y]

Originally Posted by doncarlyon

For some people, 15quid a week more in fuel could be the difference between getting a car and not bothering. Doesnt mean they dont deserve it.

Im sure plenty of us have skinted ourselves for a car and would do it again.

£15 a week extra May tip the scales but the figures quoted are £15 extra a month.

[Lincoln61]

Originally Posted by doncarlyon

For some people, 15quid a week more in fuel could be the difference between getting a car and not bothering. Doesnt mean they dont deserve it.

Im sure plenty of us have skinted ourselves for a car and would do it again.

Your absolutely right, but if finances are that tight buying a new BMW probably shouldn't be on your priority list!