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      11-18-2011, 01:00 AM   #45
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I think this creates an interesting dilemma. Unlike the last generation, where there was a stratospheric difference between 328 and 335, this generation and that turbo 4 is fast out of the box and has tuning potential. Obviously so does the 335 and tuned will probably romp a tuned 4, however if someone was looking and happy for about 300 hp, they could spend 10k less and get the 328 with a 600 dollar tune and be right there.

The dilemma for people is why spend that on a 335. You should either go for the 10k cheaper 328 or pony up 13 grand more and get the M3!
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      11-18-2011, 01:59 AM   #46
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Base price is usually $3,000 higher in Canada over the US due to cold climate options.
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      11-18-2011, 07:31 AM   #47
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I think this creates an interesting dilemma. Unlike the last generation, where there was a stratospheric difference between 328 and 335, this generation and that turbo 4 is fast out of the box and has tuning potential. Obviously so does the 335 and tuned will probably romp a tuned 4, however if someone was looking and happy for about 300 hp, they could spend 10k less and get the 328 with a 600 dollar tune and be right there.

The dilemma for people is why spend that on a 335. You should either go for the 10k cheaper 328 or pony up 13 grand more and get the M3!
Very true.

When I got my E92 I drove both the 328 and 335 and the difference to me was night and day and I went for the 335. I did that again with the E90 I have now.

As much as I love the 335 I feel I never fully use the power. I will more than likely go for a 328 this time around. A lot of torque on the low end which is something I love about the 335.
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      11-18-2011, 08:12 AM   #48
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Not bad. But a 328 with only a few options is 40k?
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      11-18-2011, 09:12 AM   #49
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I think this creates an interesting dilemma. Unlike the last generation, where there was a stratospheric difference between 328 and 335, this generation and that turbo 4 is fast out of the box and has tuning potential. Obviously so does the 335 and tuned will probably romp a tuned 4, however if someone was looking and happy for about 300 hp, they could spend 10k less and get the 328 with a 600 dollar tune and be right there.

The dilemma for people is why spend that on a 335. You should either go for the 10k cheaper 328 or pony up 13 grand more and get the M3!
Your post is quite flawed:
  1. The price difference in the base is only $7,500 not $10,000
  2. There is a list of standard features included in the 335i that aren't standard on the 328i: Xenon Headlights with High-Beam assist, Wood Trim, Moonroof, Power Front Seats with Lumbar Support and Anti-theft Alarm System
  3. Not everyone wants to tune their engine. (I, for one, will keep mine stock because I prefer warranty and engine longevity over a few more cheap horsepower.)

I agree that the bump in horsepower and torque with the N20 engine in the 328i now makes it a less obvious choice than before, but there are still very good reasons for getting the 335i over the 328i.

I already have my pre-order in and ED date confirmed for my 335i and am very comfortable with the choice.

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My crazy guess is that the one that I want will still cost 55K or so...
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Your post is quite flawed:
  1. The price difference in the base is only $7,500 not $10,000
  2. There is a list of standard features included in the 335i that aren't standard on the 328i: Xenon Headlights with High-Beam assist, Wood Trim, Moonroof, Power Front Seats with Lumbar Support and Anti-theft Alarm System
  3. Not everyone wants to tune their engine. (I, for one, will keep mine stock because I prefer warranty and engine longevity over a few more cheap horsepower.)

I agree that the bump in horsepower and torque with the N20 engine in the 328i now makes it a less obvious choice than before, but there are still very good reasons for getting the 335i over the 328i.

I already have my pre-order in and ED date confirmed for my 335i and am very comfortable with the choice.
No, but if it's so easy and cheap then why not? There is also no evidence in the N54/N55 world to show that a tuned engine is less reliable over long term than a stock one. I am also still getting the 335i as a turbo 6 will always be a sexier option than a turbo 4.
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Not bad. But a 328 with only a few options is 40k?
Sure, why not? We're finally getting the 328i we've always wanted. A 328i with more torque.

Just ED it to get 7% knocked off the top.
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      11-18-2011, 10:08 AM   #53
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E90 335i was almost 200.000$ without options in Denmark. I don't think the new will be cheaper unfortunately...

I look at your price tag and think to myself that that is horribly cheap compared to here. If any of you have complaints, I'll gladly sort you out with the info that my 118D hatchback used still costs more here

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      11-18-2011, 11:09 AM   #54
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Not bad. But a 328 with only a few options is 40k?
the outgoing one already is.

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My crazy guess is that the one that I want will still cost 55K or so...
me too
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      11-18-2011, 01:12 PM   #56
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Dirt cheap

Base price for the E90 335i here is €56k, $76k and you sure want some extra's
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      11-18-2011, 10:19 PM   #57
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Fuel economy is another big reason to for the 4 cylinder.

Pricing for the next M3? Who knows at this point. I would be happy to see mild price increase like we're getting with the 328/335 but the new M3 powerplant could be outrageously expensive.
You missed my point. I am saying it makes sense to either go for the 328 or the m3 but the 335 is a less desirable car given the cost. So if you want fuel efficiency and to spend less a 328 is great. If you want a fast turbo motor in the next gen than 10k or so gets you an m3. No longer will it be NA either so people "wanting" a turbo motor over NA will not be an issue.

There will be very few reasons not to go with an m3 for 10k more compared to the choice for the e90 which offered something the m3 did not have which is turbos and some like that. I personally hate them but that is just me!
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      11-18-2011, 10:32 PM   #58
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Wow the F30 328i is a real bargin!

But I think I'll go with the 335i for more power and standard features.
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      11-19-2011, 04:37 AM   #59
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The dilemma for people is why spend that on a 335. You should either go for the 10k cheaper 328 or pony up 13 grand more and get the M3!
I think you are being overly optimistic with the price premium for the M3. I would expect a base MSRP of no less than 60k, and probably closer to 65k.
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      11-19-2011, 11:12 AM   #60
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I think the 335 engine with gas efficiency is perfect the way it is. It's right between option that most people want. The right cost and gas mileage. IMO, The daily work commute 335 is the ideal choice vs m3
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      11-21-2011, 01:56 PM   #63
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Not bad. But a 328 with only a few options is 40k?
So? An e90 328 with ZPP and ZSP is about $40K. However my 2011 e90 328 with value package, BMW Assist, metallic paint and heated seats was well under $37K.
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      11-22-2011, 10:25 PM   #64
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$41,145 I wanted to keep it under 42K so im happy. Hopefully the dealer takes off like 1200 for me. And i also hope the lease price is around $450.
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With this update, it seems the original base pricing included $875 dest charge and so the actual increase is only $300/$350 for 328/335.

My configuration was roughly below, ignoring metallic paint, dest charge, etc.:
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                2011       2012
335i            42,050     42,400
ZPP - Premium    2,650      1,900
ZSP - Sport      2,150      1,700  (Sport Line in 2012)
609 - Nav        2,100      2,550   (ZTP with HUD in 2012)
Total           48,950     48,550

So, 2012 model with more features is actually less.

I really want the M-Sport, so will have to see how that pricing compares to 2011 cost of $3,750.
However, the Adaptive M-suspension is only $900, so I would expect the 2012 M-Sport to be similar to 2011 cost.

BTW, additional features 2012 has over 2011 are:
  • 6.5" color display with iDrive Controller
  • Bluetooth Connectivity (6NH - €300 option in EU)
  • USB/iPod Interface (6FL - $400 in 2011)
  • One inch wheel upgrade (17" standard on 328, 18" standard on 335)
  • Dynamic Driving Control with ECO PRO Mode
  • Automatic Start / Stop on all engines and transmissions
  • Brake Energy Regeneration
  • Floor Mats

Other differences are:
For 2012, the 335i adds over 2011
  • Anti-theft Alarm System (302 - $400)

For 2012, the 335i Premium package includes:
  • Comfort Access (322 - $500 in 2011)
but 2012, the 335i Premium package deletes:
  • BMW Assist (6NL - $750 in 2011, $650 in 2012)
This is relevant since BMW Apps requires BMW Assist (and Nav)

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      11-23-2011, 12:22 AM   #66
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BTW, ZTP is pretty reasonable - about what I had hoped for.

In 2011, Nav was $2100.
For 2012, the Tech Package is $2550 with HUD.

Quite a bargain given that HUD is a $1300 option on the F10 (though you do get full blacked out instrument panel with that.)
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