[scotgc]

IMO What a load of rubbish, what's the general consensus on this ?

[Iyrix]

Sounds good, then we don't have any road tax to pay...



MP's are c#$ts... That's all i know.

[Witney]

Originally Posted by scotgc

IMO What a load of rubbish, what's the general consensus on this ?

Agree, but given the government has done its best to destroy the EV company car market by raising BIK steadily from 0% 5 years ago to 16% next year it is at odds with their own policy in practice.

Then for some arbitrary reason it drops to 2% in 20/21. Box Office Phil thought this would stimulate the EV market without realising that he put the brakes on it for 3-4 years....Company car users / business owners will get more interested in 2020 again!

More of the carrot, less of the stick is required to get drivers into EVs.

[Zippee]

Umm, one minor point. Where are we going to get all the wiggly amp juice to cater for all (new) vehicles being electric? Who's going to be paying to implement the infrastructure to refuel them? 14 years is not very far away.

Has someone discovered a breed of Unicorn that shits pure electric?

[lethbridge]

I just don't get how EVs that need charging are ever going to be viable, I get the case for them in our larger towns/cities but as far as I know: the country hasn't got the generating capacity/network to support it, the public transport network to support it (there would be a big shift to public transport in my view - as an electric car would not be viable for many), the local infrastructure to support it (how do people charge their cars when most are parked on the street...), there probably aren't enough easily obtainable rare metals so that will drive up cost, etc, etc... The list goes on - all doable if we throw money at it but the bill would be immense...

But this PC country we increasingly find ourselves in will force us down that route and I guess there is little doubt now that it will happen and some people are going to make a fortune from it...

Maybe one day my car will be worth what I paid for it but I'm guessing we won't see proper cars with 100s of thousands of miles on them in 2050 as they will all have been scrapped or forced off the road through one method or another (taxation, ban, no petrol, smashed up for killing our children, etc...)...

Make the most of it while we can and in the meantime hopefully there will be token gestures for many years to come... I do get the city driving need for this though but equally that is where the infrastructure challenges are at their greatest...

[Alscoob]

Put micro electric cars in the cities & ban all others. You can then make single lanes 2 lane without making roads bigger and ease congestion.
You can then triple the amount of parking without building more as they are so small ......

You can then have what you like outside the cities & in the countryside

As for all electric, never work unsustainable comment fr MP as usual, however, Hybrid cars well maybe....

[Jeff123]

The main problem is the fact that the cars generally need charging overnight to get sufficient charge for a reasonable stint of driving. There just aren't enough charging points to do this without some mega changes and investment.

IMO, hydrogen might be a better option, but this fuel seems to have gone under the radar recently. AFAIK, these cars are filled up in a similar fashion to a petrol or diesel car and have a broadly similar range in terms of miles. There is supposed to be here emissions.

Looking at the price of electric cars, you would imagine that hydrogen cars could be introduced within a similar cost structure?

[Jimbob335DX]

With electric points, I see another broad band situation occurring, Great localised service around larger urban areas, but out in the country it will be horiffic.

AT present I go to Asda and see 10 charging points outside the supermarket, which I think is pretty good. Not 1 car parked in those charging bays is electric, which I think is pretty standard!!!.

I asked my employer if I chose to purchase an electric car, would they install a charging point, and I was advised only if there was a greater demand or support financially. I would also have to contribute, for the investment and usage. At this point they had no idea how to monitor what usage I would have and therefor could not say how much I would expect to contribute. I asked if it could be on a demand basis, and they advised that would depend on the system. Which I asked if I could just chuck a cable out of the fire door until they decided what to do, it was refused. (I was being pretty petty by this point) They advised would look into it further, but don't expect anything in short time.

My misses employer, has an electric charging point in the car park, seems pretty well set up. I suppose it depends on the mind set of the employer/company and the people.

I for one, would think 10 years was enough to get the house in order.

I wonder when F1 will give up on the petrol engine and start a competitor series to the Formula E?

[pmgreenwood]

In an ideal world but major investment in both national and local electrical networks would be needed to avoid the country wineing to a halt

[SkyJawa]

[JD6]

I don't see this being such a problem with electricity supply. We have around 2GW a year of offshore wind capacity being added as well as some solar. To deal with the intermittentcy of renewables, we're starting to see large-scale battery storage appearing. Currently there is about 350MW in the UK, which is mostly used to regulate the frequency of the grid, but this is growing rapidly to fill the gaps. I was on a conference call yesterday with a new fund, about to IPO, who have 260MW of battery storage in the pipeline. Within a few years there will be many GW of battery capacity to combine with renewables.

If we incentivise EVs to charge at night, when demand is at its lowest, it need not place a huge additional demand. I don't see 2032 as unrealistic from a power supply perspective, although roll out of charge points etc is another matter.

[scotgc]

Originally Posted by Zippee

Umm, one minor point. Where are we going to get all the wiggly amp juice to cater for all (new) vehicles being electric? Who's going to be paying to implement the infrastructure to refuel them? 14 years is not very far away.

Has someone discovered a breed of Unicorn that shits pure electric?

Originally Posted by Zippee

Umm, one minor point. Where are we going to get all the wiggly amp juice to cater for all (new) vehicles being electric? Who's going to be paying to implement the infrastructure to refuel them? 14 years is not very far away.

Has someone discovered a breed of Unicorn that shits pure electric?

Spot on... all this "zero emission" speak is horse manure with the EV.

Batteries from Outer Mongolia mined and shipped round the world to factories then shipped back to the destination.

Not to mention flailing electricity supply since the Scottish government is against all forms of power except piss and 💨

[scotgc]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Oops - sorry

[g9icy]

Originally Posted by Jeff123

IMO, hydrogen might be a better option, but this fuel seems to have gone under the radar recently. AFAIK, these cars are filled up in a similar fashion to a petrol or diesel car and have a broadly similar range in terms of miles. There is supposed to be here emissions.

Sadly hydrogen is significantly less efficient than electric batteries and fossil fuels.

There's a great video on it by Engineering Explained on youtube that goes into detail as to why it's so energy inefficient, I suggest watching it.

Even if the creation of the fuel itself can be made cheaper and more energy efficient, the hydrogen itself is still much less energy dense than fuels and may even cost more in the long run.

I want to be able to drive clean, energy efficient cars, but sadly it looks like big ass batteries is the way to do it, at least until the next big breakthrough.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by scotgc

IMO What a load of rubbish, what's the general consensus on this ?

It’s 2050 for pure EV’s

[creepy coupe]

Originally Posted by teaston

It’s 2050 for pure EV’s

2032

https://www.driving.co.uk/news/new-c...-2040-say-mps/

[Ss66]

Don't give a f**k. I'll probs be dead by then.

[thescouselander]

Sounds like MPs have completely lost the plot with ridiculous targets and a totally inconsistent set of policies. I have to wonder who's giving them policy advice - whoever it is they're clearly not technically competent.

[Wills2]

I'm putting the how will we cope with the charging of EVs in the same camp as

1. Brexit - easy, er no.....
2. Universal credit - easy, er no....
3. Charging millions of EVs - easy, er no....

Everything looks easy on paper or on a conference call, nothing on this scale is ever is easy there will be more delays than you can shake a stick at.

[sensible]

They will have to come down in price first.

I did some market research today, viewing a proto-type electric car.

Far too expensive and no infrastructure to charge them.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by scotgc

IMO What a load of rubbish, what's the general consensus on this ?

Front us - load of rubbish, show us the infrastructure to support it GVT

From the people saying it GvT - it's the right thing to say so let's say it without any plan!

[teaston]

Originally Posted by creepy coupe

2032

https://www.driving.co.uk/news/new-c...-2040-say-mps/

Hmmm, I definitely read an article recently that said 2050.