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      05-10-2021, 02:04 PM   #1
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Looking for real-world fuel economy after tune-only.

Hey guys! Does anyone have any before/after numbers for their 330i after tuning? I want to get into something a little more fuel conscious than my current car, and I'm torn between the 230i, 330i, and an S3.

It seems the S3's are turning some good numbers after tuning, likely thanks to the dct, but I'm a little more partial towards the 2/3 series. I'm mostly curious about tune only numbers for the B48 cars. Bonus points will be awarded to anyone who also has 1/4 and 60-130 times with ethanol involved. My current daily turns a 13 flat at 105, so I really don't want to sacrifice anything there if possible.

Thank you!
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Hey guys! Does anyone have any before/after numbers for their 330i after tuning? I want to get into something a little more fuel conscious than my current car, and I'm torn between the 230i, 330i, and an S3.

It seems the S3's are turning some good numbers after tuning, likely thanks to the dct, but I'm a little more partial towards the 2/3 series. I'm mostly curious about tune only numbers for the B48 cars. Bonus points will be awarded to anyone who also has 1/4 and 60-130 times with ethanol involved. My current daily turns a 13 flat at 105, so I really don't want to sacrifice anything there if possible.

Thank you!
There tends to be a positive correlation between the tune and you flooring it all the time reducing mpg
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I'm also interested in MPG numbers on N2x cars after a Stage 1 tune! It would be especially interesting to see that result from someone who drives in Eco-Pro mode all the time like me, and only switches to Sport when they wanna hoon
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There tends to be a positive correlation between the tune and you flooring it all the time reducing mpg
I know many do that, but I'm more curious about those like myself, who put down highway miles by the thousands a month, and have a little fun when they get to the backroads. If the mileage stays the same/sees a minor increase on the highway, then I would find myself leaning towards these cars. My goal is about 35-40mpg highway and mid 13s on 93, and very low 13s on flex.
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In and of itself a tune will have little effect on fuel economy. It's driving habits that count. If you push the car harder with a tune than you did without it fuel use will go up.
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In and of itself a tune will have little effect on fuel economy. It's driving habits that count. If you push the car harder with a tune than you did without it fuel use will go up.
I am aware of this, I am just curious what kind of mileage people are seeing with a tune. Are they getting 30 mpg city, and 40 highway? More/less? I know that tune's don't really affect fuel economy until you go with something like a very custom tune that takes advantage of 93-only fillups and add in some timing, which it kind of sounds like MGFlasher does. My ideal plan is a JB4, but I may go with MG if the car I buy is out of warranty already.
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      05-12-2021, 09:20 AM   #7
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2013 6MT 328i (n20).

Stock it was around 25-30 mpg in "comfort"

Stage 1 it was a little better as throttle response was increased and i didnt need to use as much right root to get moving. lets go with 26-32.

Stage 2 right now it is around 24-34 depending if I am in stop and go traffic or not. Mind you most of the time I am going under 50 mph unless on the highway. When i drove across the country (miami to chicago) last year, cruising at around 80-82 netted me around 35-37 mpg depending on hills, mountains, and wind.
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2013 6MT 328i (n20).

Stock it was around 25-30 mpg in "comfort"

Stage 1 it was a little better as throttle response was increased and i didnt need to use as much right root to get moving. lets go with 26-32.

Stage 2 right now it is around 24-34 depending if I am in stop and go traffic or not. Mind you most of the time I am going under 50 mph unless on the highway. When i drove across the country (miami to chicago) last year, cruising at around 80-82 netted me around 35-37 mpg depending on hills, mountains, and wind.
That's pretty good! That's bootmod3 Stage 2 right? Out of curiosity, do you have any other mods on the car?
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Looking for real-world fuel economy after tune-only.

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2013 6MT 328i (n20).

Stock it was around 25-30 mpg in "comfort"

Stage 1 it was a little better as throttle response was increased and i didnt need to use as much right root to get moving. lets go with 26-32.

Stage 2 right now it is around 24-34 depending if I am in stop and go traffic or not. Mind you most of the time I am going under 50 mph unless on the highway. When i drove across the country (miami to chicago) last year, cruising at around 80-82 netted me around 35-37 mpg depending on hills, mountains, and wind.
That's pretty good! That's bootmod3 Stage 2 right? Out of curiosity, do you have any other mods on the car?
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N20 6MT FBO Dyno BM3 Stage 2 93 OTS https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1816740
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Hope this helps :

Everything off the shelf you can get for the car really.

N20 6MT FBO Dyno BM3 Stage 2 93 OTS https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1816740
Oop- funnily enough, I was reading about key mods before tuning and stumbled upon this thread! My plan is to replace both charge pipes, turbo inlet, and intercooler before Stage 1.

Future reliability mods will include oil catch can, diverter valve, and NGK plugs. Additionally, shorter service intervals for oil changes and other bits.

I think I've got a solid plan!
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I have a 340 with the mppsk and the mild stage 1 tune that came with it and I have not noticed any change in mpg following the addition of the mppsk and tune. I travel a lot on long flat Louisiana and Texas highways. Last weekend my car showed 32.7 mpg at an average speed of 80.2 for 3 hours. And 34.3 for an average speed of 70.7 for the 3 hours.
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Oop- funnily enough, I was reading about key mods before tuning and stumbled upon this thread! My plan is to replace both charge pipes, turbo inlet, and intercooler before Stage 1.

Future reliability mods will include oil catch can, diverter valve, and NGK plugs. Additionally, shorter service intervals for oil changes and other bits.

I think I've got a solid plan!
Honestly, you can do stage 1 first without any mods, however, due to needing help and using a lift helps drastically, just grab bm3 with all tunes + downpipe of your choosing. The rest can come in pieces as you can do them in your driveway. downpipe was a lot harder to put in than anything else due to space and angle on your back honestly.
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I have an n20 328xi. My wife drove it for years getting about 27-29mpg combined highway and city. Now that I drive it, I'll get about 28 on a long highway road trip and am at about 21 overall. However, I think this is MUCH more about the fact that I almost always keep it in sport mode at higher RPMs and accelerate a lot more quickly pretty much always than is reasonably necessary.
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Honestly, you can do stage 1 first without any mods, however, due to needing help and using a lift helps drastically, just grab bm3 with all tunes + downpipe of your choosing. The rest can come in pieces as you can do them in your driveway. downpipe was a lot harder to put in than anything else due to space and angle on your back honestly.
Ok perfect! In that case, I might get an IC just to take care of charged air temperatures. Thanks for the feedback!
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I have an n20 328xi. My wife drove it for years getting about 27-29mpg combined highway and city. Now that I drive it, I'll get about 28 on a long highway road trip and am at about 21 overall. However, I think this is MUCH more about the fact that I almost always keep it in sport mode at higher RPMs and accelerate a lot more quickly pretty much always than is reasonably necessary.
That's probably it. On my stock 2016 320i xDrive I'm getting 27.7 MPG overall, which lately, has been more city driving. When I was doing more highway driving I believe I was getting around 30 MPG overall. To clarify, I always drive in Eco-Pro and switch to Sport when applicable.
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I have an n20 328xi. My wife drove it for years getting about 27-29mpg combined highway and city. Now that I drive it, I'll get about 28 on a long highway road trip and am at about 21 overall. However, I think this is MUCH more about the fact that I almost always keep it in sport mode at higher RPMs and accelerate a lot more quickly pretty much always than is reasonably necessary.
That's probably it. On my stock 2016 320i xDrive I'm getting 27.7 MPG overall, which lately, has been more city driving. When I was doing more highway driving I believe I was getting around 30 MPG overall. To clarify, I always drive in Eco-Pro and switch to Sport when applicable.
What do you get full Highway? As I pointed out about on my last trip I was sitting at 32 and 34 mpg for all Highway with my 6 cylinder. On trips with more traffic and more accelerating around 18 wheelers and less steady speeds it sits right 30.
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What do you get full Highway? As I pointed out about on my last trip I was sitting at 32 and 34 mpg for all Highway with my 6 cylinder. On trips with more traffic and more accelerating around 18 wheelers and less steady speeds it sits right 30.
Let's see, I get at least 30 MPG highway with the N20, closer to 33 MPG. The highest I've ever gotten was when I did over 50 continuous miles of highway at 65 MPH and that was around 40 MPG

So it seems that the N20 and N55 get similar MPG when cruising, which makes sense since they're not working very hard to cruise. It's when you put your foot down that matters, and the same logic can be applied to tuning, unless things are significantly modified at that portion of the map.
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Hey guys! Does anyone have any before/after numbers for their 330i after tuning? I want to get into something a little more fuel conscious than my current car, and I'm torn between the 230i, 330i, and an S3.

It seems the S3's are turning some good numbers after tuning, likely thanks to the dct, but I'm a little more partial towards the 2/3 series. I'm mostly curious about tune only numbers for the B48 cars. Bonus points will be awarded to anyone who also has 1/4 and 60-130 times with ethanol involved. My current daily turns a 13 flat at 105, so I really don't want to sacrifice anything there if possible.

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21 mpg before 21.9 after BM3 stage 1
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40k miles on B46, half of that tuned with stage 1, average combined mpg is 27.8
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