MPPK Performance Upgrade for a 330d

northernsouly · 06-15-2018, 04:25 AM

Greeting all. I have recently purchased a pre-registered 330d shadow edition. I am over the moon with all aspects of the car. I have been quoted £1400 for the performance upgrade kit from BMW Blackburn and Bolton. I'm looking for some advise on the following questions:

- Is it really worth it?
- What exactly does it give you in normal everyday mixed driving?
- Would you go for it again if you had the chance?
- Where is the extra power and torque mainly felt?
- Does it cause problems with traction (I have a RWD 330d)

I'm a typical driver with some motorway work and some A / B road work and about 10000 miles a year.

R99 · 06-15-2018, 04:26 AM

I want this too!

Watsey · 06-15-2018, 04:33 AM

In short, and from personal experience, MPPK is not worth the price.

MPPK does maintain full BMW warranty, and should include a front brake upgrade for cars that don't have M Sport front brakes, but the performance gains are nominal. My 330d achieved ~25bhp (from memory).

The DMS remap increased the power output to 345-347bhp for less than the cost of the equivalent MPPK remap, and has proven to be completely reliable on road and on track.

TonyBuon · 06-15-2018, 04:50 AM

For me...yes. See here:

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1329457

OneExtra · 06-15-2018, 05:44 AM

Waste of money unless you must have a bit more power and are really worried about the warranty.

I went with Evolve as it was a better map and produced more power.

The intercooler that BMW offer is a waste of money and probably adds £600 to the cost

Personally don't waste you time or money.

mikeoz · 06-15-2018, 06:43 AM

i found it quite good and liked the diffrence it made on my f30 when i had it.
But i only paid £900 all in for th ECU and intecooler.

Do you need the brakes or just the above? If so there are deals around cheaper than 1400. I dont think you will get as cheap as i did but alot less than 1400 for the above 2 items. Any dealer can supply then your local fits it.

As Watsey says there are cheaper and more powerful choices around however.
depends what you want really?

Alscoob · 06-15-2018, 07:08 AM

You could consider the AC Schnitzer kit from Lorcan comes with their warranty or the Steinbauer kit You can remove it & sell on if you part with the car also it's not your typical 'tuning box'.

I have a Steinbauer on my 330d, it makes me smile, I think its worth it.

northernsouly · 06-15-2018, 07:55 AM

I already have the M sport brakes so it does seem a bit expensive at £1400.

Willsy33 · 06-15-2018, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Alscoob

I have a Steinbauer on my 330d, it makes me smile, I think its worth it.

+1

I have one too and absolutely agree. OP, if you can source a used one for less than £300 you’re laughing (there’s one for a 335d for sale in the classifieds, but it won’t work on the 330d due to the two cars using different injectors). They currently retail over £1000.

Hooded · 06-15-2018, 07:58 AM

If you have a new car and don't want to take any risks with the warranty but would like a little more power bringing the car closer to a 335d rolling performance then it could be worth it, although the gains won't be anywhere near what you get from a remap.

Everyday driving? It knocks around 0.2 seconds off 50-75mph

It won't cause any traction issues in the dry if your tyres are half decent.

Willsy33 · 06-15-2018, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watsey

The DMS remap increased the power output to 345-347bhp for less than the cost of the equivalent MPPK remap, and has proven to be completely reliable on road and on track.

I thought the turbo on the 30d maxxed out at about 315/320bhp? An increase of ~90bhp over standard with just a remap seems (not to sound like being a prick) slightly dubious/suspicious. Is it just me?! I haven’t checked old threads, but has your car been ran on the same dyno on the same day as other people with the same model and DMS remap?

lethbridge · 06-15-2018, 09:57 AM

You should have come to us for advice sooner - as @ 10k miles we'd have put you in a 340i and then the MPPSK would have made complete sense!! Not sure I see the value in adding the MPPK on a 30d? I think a box/tune that warranties the bits you would no longer get covered by BMW like the Steinbauer would be the best option - certainly much better value - I'm not sure you would notice much difference adding 25HP if that is what the MPPK gives (not sure I see the point in changing the intercooler etc. for that gain)...

TonyBuon · 06-15-2018, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lethbridge

You should have come to us for advice sooner - as @ 10k miles we'd have put you in a 340i and then the MPPSK would have made complete sense!! Not sure I see the value in adding the MPPK on a 30d? I think a box/tune that warranties the bits you would no longer get covered by BMW like the Steinbauer would be the best option - certainly much better value - I'm not sure you would notice much difference adding 25HP if that is what the MPPK gives (not sure I see the point in changing the intercooler etc. for that gain)...

Value for me is - a lot smoother, small bit faster, maintained warranty whilst I was in it and will enable me to maintain BMW insured warranty once that's over (and they will replace intercooler if fails / ecu etc - anything thats covered in normal insured warranty, nothing that isn't). Main thing is, won't void it.

1966-TR4 · 06-15-2018, 11:01 AM

It's noticeably smoother, quicker and gave me a decent brakes upgrade

lethbridge · 06-15-2018, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBuon

Value for me is - a lot smoother, small bit faster, maintained warranty whilst I was in it and will enable me to maintain BMW insured warranty once that's over (and they will replace intercooler if fails / ecu etc - anything thats covered in normal insured warranty, nothing that isn't). Main thing is, won't void it.

I totally get where you are coming from on warranty but the OP's £1400 quote (plus insurance uplift year on year) to me doesn't indicate value for the results you get - 'smoother & a bit faster'... More can be had from 3rd party products but you do need to go with the pricier options out there with robust warranties... Personally I'm not sure I would bother though...

TodmordenLad · 06-15-2018, 11:05 AM

Yes, if you're well within warranty, No, if you're not
The extra horses and torque are noticeable but far from dramatic.

mikeoz · 06-15-2018, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by northernsouly

I already have the M sport brakes so it does seem a bit expensive at £1400.

In that case very expensive. Harry Fairburn will do discounts and post to you.
Local dealer can install.

dizzy619 · 06-15-2018, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willsy33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watsey

The DMS remap increased the power output to 345-347bhp for less than the cost of the equivalent MPPK remap, and has proven to be completely reliable on road and on track.

I thought the turbo on the 30d maxxed out at about 315/320bhp? An increase of ~90bhp over standard with just a remap seems (not to sound like being a prick) slightly dubious/suspicious. Is it just me?! I haven’t checked old threads, but has your car been ran on the same dyno on the same day as other people with the same model and DMS remap?

Yep it's just you

smithers330d · 06-15-2018, 12:47 PM

I had a steinbauer on my 330d. The gains were good but I found it came at the expense of smoothness. It was jerky and inconsistent in its delivery. So I sold it and got a DMS remap and haven’t looked back since.

Good luck with your eventual choice!

Hooded · 06-15-2018, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzy619

Yep it's just you

Actually it's not

.. almost 90bhp over stock for a x30d without other modifications has been debated on here more than once in the past

Watsey · 06-15-2018, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willsy33

I thought the turbo on the 30d maxxed out at about 315/320bhp? An increase of ~90bhp over standard with just a remap seems (not to sound like being a prick) slightly dubious/suspicious. Is it just me?! I haven’t checked old threads, but has your car been ran on the same dyno on the same day as other people with the same model and DMS remap?

The reason for the two different figures, 345/347bhp, is that the car ran those figures on different dynos.

Potential gains from the 30D have been debated on the Forum many times, some believers and some nay-sayers, but leaving aside the ridiculously high output claims (mentioning no names) and having two independent dyno readings within 2bhp suggests to me that the numbers are real.

SkyJawa · 06-15-2018, 03:22 PM

For the 1k I paid for it on a car in warranty yes it’s worth it. For 1.4, no.

It makes a noticeable difference to mid range grunt, dyno’d at the forum RR day at SRR around 300 bhp consistently.

If you declare properly the intercooler can be a bit of a twat to get insured, god knows why, and needs more specialist insurers.

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northernsouly New Member 16 Rep 19 Posts Drives: 330d Shadow Edition Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Lancashire iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 330d M Sport S ... [0.00]	MPPK Performance Upgrade for a 330d - worth it? Greeting all. I have recently purchased a pre-registered 330d shadow edition. I am over the moon with all aspects of the car. I have been quoted £1400 for the performance upgrade kit from BMW Blackburn and Bolton. I'm looking for some advise on the following questions: - Is it really worth it? - What exactly does it give you in normal everyday mixed driving? - Would you go for it again if you had the chance? - Where is the extra power and torque mainly felt? - Does it cause problems with traction (I have a RWD 330d) I'm a typical driver with some motorway work and some A / B road work and about 10000 miles a year.
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Watsey Major General 6404 Rep 8,493 Posts Drives: F31 330D sDrive M Sport Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: On sabbatical. iTrader: (1)	In short, and from personal experience, MPPK is not worth the price. MPPK does maintain full BMW warranty, and should include a front brake upgrade for cars that don't have M Sport front brakes, but the performance gains are nominal. My 330d achieved ~25bhp (from memory). The DMS remap increased the power output to 345-347bhp for less than the cost of the equivalent MPPK remap, and has proven to be completely reliable on road and on track. __________________ Current : F31 330sD, remapped, Ohlins Road & Track, Millway camber plates, Quaife LSD, Stoptech brakes + Pagid RSL1 pads all round, Weichers front strut brace, Eibach front & rear anti-roll bars, Michelin MP4S.
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TonyBuon Private First Class 136 Rep 124 Posts Drives: Bmw x3 M40i Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Burton Upon Trent iTrader: (0)	For me...yes. See here: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1329457
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OneExtra Lieutenant Colonel 811 Rep 1,847 Posts Drives: None Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: England iTrader: (0)	Waste of money unless you must have a bit more power and are really worried about the warranty. I went with Evolve as it was a better map and produced more power. The intercooler that BMW offer is a waste of money and probably adds £600 to the cost Personally don't waste you time or money.
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mikeoz Major General 2856 Rep 5,607 Posts Drives: BMW X3 M40d LCI Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: cambs iTrader: (1)	i found it quite good and liked the diffrence it made on my f30 when i had it. But i only paid £900 all in for th ECU and intecooler. Do you need the brakes or just the above? If so there are deals around cheaper than 1400. I dont think you will get as cheap as i did but alot less than 1400 for the above 2 items. Any dealer can supply then your local fits it. As Watsey says there are cheaper and more powerful choices around however. depends what you want really?
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Alscoob Brigadier General 2113 Rep 3,060 Posts Drives: G31 540i M Sport Edition Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	You could consider the AC Schnitzer kit from Lorcan comes with their warranty or the Steinbauer kit You can remove it & sell on if you part with the car also it's not your typical 'tuning box'. I have a Steinbauer on my 330d, it makes me smile, I think its worth it.
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Hooded Banned 1669 Rep 3,967 Posts Drives: F30 330d M-Sport Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: England iTrader: (0)	If you have a new car and don't want to take any risks with the warranty but would like a little more power bringing the car closer to a 335d rolling performance then it could be worth it, although the gains won't be anywhere near what you get from a remap. Everyday driving? It knocks around 0.2 seconds off 50-75mph It won't cause any traction issues in the dry if your tyres are half decent.
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lethbridge Captain 470 Rep 784 Posts Drives: 2018 F80 M3 CP YMB Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: United Kingdom iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 BMW M3 CP [10.00]	You should have come to us for advice sooner - as @ 10k miles we'd have put you in a 340i and then the MPPSK would have made complete sense!! Not sure I see the value in adding the MPPK on a 30d? I think a box/tune that warranties the bits you would no longer get covered by BMW like the Steinbauer would be the best option - certainly much better value - I'm not sure you would notice much difference adding 25HP if that is what the MPPK gives (not sure I see the point in changing the intercooler etc. for that gain)...
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1966-TR4 Captain 268 Rep 609 Posts Drives: F31 330D xDrive MPPK ACS Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Edinburgh & Glasgow, Scotland iTrader: (0)	It's noticeably smoother, quicker and gave me a decent brakes upgrade __________________ F31 Mineral Grey 330d Xdrive, ACS, Adaptive, MPPK. Gone but not forgotten: 1967 Triumph GT6 Mk1 (6 pot 2 litre widowmaker) 1966 Triumph TR4A (4 pot 2.2 litre, huge torque, lovely car) 2004 Audi TT 3.2 DSG Quattro (weak springs & nose heavy) 2006 VW Golf GTI (brilliant on good tyres)
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TodmordenLad Brigadier General 2876 Rep 3,965 Posts Drives: Audi A4 Avant Join Date: May 2015 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Yes, if you're well within warranty, No, if you're not The extra horses and torque are noticeable but far from dramatic. __________________ Owned: 440i GC LCI with MPPSK, F31 330D M Sport with MPPK, F11 530D SE, F11 520D SE, E61 530D M Sport, E36 325i plus many MB's, Audi's & Volvo's
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smithers330d Private First Class 102 Rep 194 Posts Drives: F31 330d M Sport sDrive Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Hampshire iTrader: (0)	I had a steinbauer on my 330d. The gains were good but I found it came at the expense of smoothness. It was jerky and inconsistent in its delivery. So I sold it and got a DMS remap and haven’t looked back since. Good luck with your eventual choice!
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SkyJawa Major General 3719 Rep 8,636 Posts Drives: F10 530d Join Date: May 2014 Location: Hampshire iTrader: (1)	For the 1k I paid for it on a car in warranty yes it’s worth it. For 1.4, no. It makes a noticeable difference to mid range grunt, dyno’d at the forum RR day at SRR around 300 bhp consistently. If you declare properly the intercooler can be a bit of a twat to get insured, god knows why, and needs more specialist insurers.
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