09-14-2019, 08:27 AM | #1 |
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Died at 70+ mph
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Please forgive if I’ve placed this in the wrong section. We have a 2014 328d xdrive wagon. Hoping you might be able to shed some light on something. Yesterday, cruising at 70mph on the highway everything seemed perfectly fine. Suddenly i realize that I have no power under my foot. Push the accelerator to the floor and nothing. Engine stayed at cruising rpm, car was still on, steering fine, but ZERO power. I put my flashers on and start to get over. Oddly, I notice that only the right arrow on the dash is blinking (as if I just have the right turn indicator on), however, I could see all my exterior blinker lights were flashing. Still no power, i coast the car to the shoulder, pull off and stop. Engine dies as soon as I stop. Car displays the “transmission not in park” warning. No other error lights or anything. I hit the start/stop button and engine sputters and sputters and then starts (normally she fires right up). I open the windows and there’s a strong smell of diesel exhaust (may have also just been from passing trucks?), but it was present and strong (normal exhaust on this car smells almost like nothing). I turn the engine off again, restart, everything seems ok since. I’m freaked out though. Anyone have any idea what happened? Last edited by Crosby Dog; 09-14-2019 at 08:32 AM.. |
09-14-2019, 08:46 AM | #3 |
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It's the right section.
I would start with a diagnostic scan. Has the egr cooler recall been done on your car? Have you fueled from any shady type fuel stations recently?
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09-14-2019, 08:57 AM | #4 | |
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I have an obd2 reader. Maybe it’s worth a trip to the dealer though for a pro to read it. I have not done the egr cooler recall. Googling that now... And yes I DID just get half a tank or so from a sketchy place because my wife needed a full tank for a long drive. If it was just a bad fuel issue, I should probably change the fuel filter(s), right? Sorry, more familiar with boat diesels than car diesels. |
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09-14-2019, 09:02 AM | #5 |
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I wouldn't drive it to prevent further damage. Sketchy diesel fuel often has water contamination. The water will stall your car and cause heavy damage to the high pressure fuel pump. The engine dying like that and very difficult start is indicative of fuel contamination. There is an extended warranty (10yr, 120k miles) on the high pressure fuel pumps, and dealers will take care of that on Bosch's money. It requires a complete fuel system replacement. But still avoid sketchy fuel stations like the plague.
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If the damage/issue is due to the poor quality fuel make sure you have the receipt from the station! This way you can try to have their insurance cover it since it's basically a whole fuel system replacement.
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09-15-2019, 05:59 PM | #7 |
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Thanks for the help guys. I have the reciept from the gas station. 10 gallons of what may be crap/watery diesel is in my car. I put some sta-bil in last night to try to help remove some of the water if that is the issue. Ran the car over to the pump today to top off with some good diesel. On the way home, check engine light came on.
Finally got my card reader and got P323F P323F P0101 P323F I understand these are generic codes and need to be converted to bmw codes (or something?). Anyone able to shed some light with just these? Happy to do my own converting, just haven’t figured out how yet. |
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09-15-2019, 06:29 PM | #9 |
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The gas station owes you an entirely new fuel system if true.
From fuel tank to the injectors. Document everything and make your case. I will get your codes converted in just a moment.
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09-15-2019, 06:36 PM | #10 |
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P323F is BMW codes 241200, 241300, 2C1E00, or 2C1F00
All having to do with the fuel injection rate deviation vs expected for the mass air flow values. To confuse things, P0101 is a mass air flow signal deviation. (2A6400, 2A6500, 24CE00, or 24CF00) I would do a very thorough inspection of the fuel and document. I would also do a very thorough inspection of the intake manifold under the engine beauty cover. This would look for damage from the EGR cooler issues. This is 100% covered under a recall at BMW.
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09-15-2019, 07:00 PM | #11 |
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Thank you enabled. I really, really appreciate your help with this. Oddly, the smell of raw diesel exhaust seems to come from under the hood. It’s faint, but it’s there. I removed the beauty cover and nothing looks burned or anything. What are the chances the egr fails the same day I get a dose of bad fuel?
Or is it possible all these codes and symptoms are being generated by a faulty/failing egr? |
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09-15-2019, 07:12 PM | #12 |
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Either way. Calling the dealer in the am and getting their take on it. Unfortunately the dealer is 70+ miles away. Need to figure out insurance/AAA coverage for a flatbed as well. What a freakin bummer.
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09-15-2019, 07:46 PM | #13 |
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Technically those codes can be triggered by a stalled engine that is coasting in gear while the ecu is trying to burn fuel and expects certain logged values to be met.
But I would inspect the intake manifold very carefully for melt marks and small holes as well. While at dealer, you might as well get the egr recall taken care of. They will inspect the egr cooler with a scope and decide if it's faulty or not. A melted intake manifold from egr cooler problems would not stall the car however. It is a bummer indeed. If you document everything, you will come out on top in the end.
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I’ve tried to post some shots of my intake manifold, but since I only have 6 posts or so I don’t think I’m permitted. Definitely going to get the egr recall taken care of. Yes, I read up a bit and it sounds like the primary symptom of egr failure is coolant loss, which I don’t have. I will come back and post to let this list know how it turns out. Sincere thanks again for the help. |
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09-17-2019, 03:48 PM | #15 |
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So, crazy enough, just got a call from BMW. All these issues are due to a bad EGR - the one under recall. The EGR was failing and caused damage to my intake manifold. BMW says the costs of repair are all covered. Eager to learn more when I go get the car.
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09-17-2019, 04:17 PM | #16 |
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Good you're being taken care of.
The shady fuel station was a red herring then. It's odd why it stalled like that, but that means you had a hole melted in the intake manifold. These are the melted holes that can happen. https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=101 Towing was a good idea, because on cases where it's very damaged, a fire can occur. This is why there is the recall, with an updated egr cooler to fix the issue. I would still ask for pictures for learning, if possible.
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Yeah total red herring. I agree that it’s odd that it stalled like that. I wonder if the damage being done caused a computer/software hiccup that in turn caused the loss of power and stall. I’ll try to get pictures and post them here. I know the dealer took them to send to bmw.
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