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Based on what my senior friends in the Civil Service tell me, however, it's the CS who have been doing all the work for many months now, along with their counterparts in the EU administration. Rabb was only a figurehead - and a pretty ineffectual one at that. It was never going to be easy, but I never thought that the betrayals, the infighting and the general politicking within the Tory party would be this bad, not to mention the ineptitude of the opposition from the outset. A sorry state of affairs, and all the result of a massive own goal, of course.
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There isn't the maths in that place to get any proposal through.
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Do you rank your friends?
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11-15-2018, 06:04 AM | #50 |
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I voted remain - but mainly for selfish reasons.
However the brexiteers had far more compelling argument - change for the better, the remainers - basically everything stays as is. However based on this deal i cant see how anyone can agree to it. Its change for the worse. We have no say in Europe or its laws, we cant leave europe until they agree, and we pay them a shit load of cash. If this was the deal on the table then have another referendum.. i'm sure based on what Brexit really means it wont be so clear cut. |
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11-15-2018, 06:13 AM | #52 | |
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And in response to one or two other posts blaming David Cameron for all this, I'd just remind them that Parliament as a whole voted overwhelmingly to grant the people the referendum. It wasn't Cameron acting on his own and it wasn't even the Tories using their majority to push it through; Parliament as a whole voted for it and the subsequent referendum campaign wasn't fought on party lines. Therefore, Parliament as a whole should have worked collectively to respect the outcome of the referendum and secure the best outcome for the UK; they clearly haven't done so IMO. |
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Hadn't realised it read like that when I wrote it.. you know what I meant anyway
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I can imagine the whole process has been one continuous scene from "The thick of it" I bet it was hilarious to watch.
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What parliament gives it can take away.
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Yes you would and no they wouldn't be.
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If he did what you've suggested, that would have been akin to throwing toys out of the pram. At least he's tried. I don't see what's wrong with what he's done. |
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The odds on a second referendum have shortened significantly today. If the government is beginning to descend into chaos, putting it back to the people, and not shouldering responsibility for a terrible deal, may look increasingly attractive... |
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Oddly enough the only political annihilation we've seen so far is that of UKIP.
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How many of those who voted in Brexit vote in GE's? It was a high turnout and governments have got in with less. A party could easily get in with 48% of the votes (assuming the same turnout) I don't think a peoples vote would change anything in regards to Leave or Remain at this point with how incompetent both the EU and our own government have been in regards to the process. Even then the vote should realistically be on either accepting the deal at hand, or rejecting the deal to keep with the democratic process. All ideas of remaining now after this show of incompetence and mud slinging are minuscule. |
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11-15-2018, 09:37 AM | #65 | |
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https://www.channel4.com/news/major-...towards-remain Other recent ones all seem to have been heading that way as the type of deal we could expect emerged https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...-survey-shows/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8524431.html I admit that there is no certainty that Remain would win a new referendum, but on the basis of recent polls, and in light of the details of the deal, it looks pretty likely... _____________________________ EDIT Here's another published in the last few minutes https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8635341.html Last edited by JD6; 11-15-2018 at 09:46 AM.. |
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iv just heard that part of this 500 page doc talks about intel sharing etc and states that we must pay to access the intel exchange sharing data base in the future...we supply most of the intel for this data base around 46% of Europe's intel take comes from UK....who the hell negotiated that? Seems simply to me that we either get access or dont supply the intel?
Most EU countries are not allowed to spy on there citizens like we and the US so really lack the Sig Intel we provide. Last edited by mikeoz; 11-15-2018 at 10:08 AM.. |
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