[AspektUSA]

Originally Posted by sspade

Anyone that knows anything about maintaining a vehicle long term... wouldnt ask that question.

Search this forum to find your answer. There's hundreds if not thousands of examples. Lots to learn!

Ive already told you... Im keeping my F30 well into 200k miles. Yours will likely be toast or someone elses problem by then.

The few dollars your saving by stretching oil intervals out is really not a good bet to make.

IDK how you sleep at night, with BMWs/VWs/MBs running 18,500mi intervals in Central Europe.

With the advent of ultra-low sulphur fuel, ever higher performance oil, and better engineering there's absolutely no reason you can't run 10,000mi on a stock car.

If you're tuned, that's another story because usually you have to compensate for higher fuel dilution.

RE: Original thread

No reason to use techron for fuel cleaner as long as you're using high octane, top tier fuel like Shell, Exxon, etc.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by Astone22

So throwing in a bottle of tech Ron is a good idea every 10k?

Use high quality fuel and save that $8 for the drink of your choice.

My $.02.

[dmaxdmax]

Originally Posted by sspade

You guys should google "how often to change oil on a turbo charged engine."

EVERYTHING Im coming up with states that turbocharged engines require more frequent oil changes and spark plugs than naturally aspirated.

Every source recommends 5k mile intervals.

To each their own, for some people saving $35 is a big deal apparently.

Also... comparing a naturally aspirated E46 to one of our modern turbos makes very little to no sense.

I wish each and every one of you the best... I guess time will tell who is the last man standing!

I guess I made the 'comparison' to E46 you referred to. I didn't compare my M52 with the B58, but I did follow BMW's recommendations, despite having heard I'm a horrible car owner because of it.

I'm OCD about taking care of the machines in my life and usually defer to the owners' manuals. BMW engineers built a great car and have a lot of experience and data in how to maintain it.

Anyway, I have my LL-14 and it'll go in soon, then come out around 10k miles later. I'm not drag racing...just out of the NJ tollbooths a little.

[Billfitz]

They still have toll booths? I haven't been there for a few years, but everywhere from NH to NYC is pretty much EZ Pass fly on through. Do they let you pump your own gas yet?

BTW, I remember when changing your oil around 5,000 miles was the norm, when it was 49 cents a quart mineral oil. I haven't used that schedule since going to Mobil 1 in 1974.

[BMWILUVU]

Originally Posted by evilchargerfan

I believe, techron does contain pea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techron

They were the original. My borescope showed me my cylinder heads are still shiny and I blame it all on PEA.

[dmaxdmax]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

They still have toll booths? I haven't been there for a few years, but everywhere from NH to NYC is pretty much EZ Pass fly on through. Do they let you pump your own gas yet?

BTW, I remember when changing your oil around 5,000 miles was the norm, when it was 49 cents a quart mineral oil. I haven't used that schedule since going to Mobil 1 in 1974.

I remember when 3,000 oci was the norm, before there was a term oci.

Yes, NJ has tollbooths still...they are EZ Pass, but I'll roll through slowly in 2nd and then get up to the speed limit as fast as I can--usually just 55, so the exciting acceleration is over in a couple of secs.

...and no, we can't pump our own gas still. Something to do with our advanced knowledge of people and their ways, I think.

[Boostedphil698]

Honestly, I would run Shell V-Power Nitro+, that's what I use in my 435i and it honestly gives me all 320hp with absolutely no knock and keeps the engine clean and protected. You could also get walnut blasting done every 30,000 miles too if you so choose. Also, you could get a catch can.

[Billfitz]

Originally Posted by dmaxdmax

Yes, NJ has tollbooths still...they are EZ Pass, but I'll roll through slowly in 2nd and then get up to the speed limit as fast as I can-

I guess that's better than tossing coins in a bin. Up here in the sticks we've had high speed EZ pass lanes for years. Some smart guy figured out that if you don't have to slow down to pay a toll you don't realize that you're paying a toll, so you're far less likely to take to shunpiking.

[pdxpeter]

Terms like Top Tier Gas are just marketing. The difference between an Arco and a Chevron is the additives. Chevron is going to have more detergents and what not but the gas itself is the same.

Octane is a measure of the fuel's resistance to self detonate. The higher the octane, the higher the pressure it can withstand before it lights itself. Higher compression and turbo cars need the higher octane to prevent knock and engine damage. Higher octane is not necessarily higher quality.

Theres nothing wrong with tossing in a bottle of techron every now and again. Its basically a concentrated bottle of the stuff they use in their gas. Like folks mentioned, its not going to do much for the valves in our cars but it can help prevent build up elsewhere in the fuel system. It can help keep the cylinder walls cleaner too. My personal favorite is SeaFoam fuel treatment.

[AspektUSA]

Originally Posted by pdxpeter

Terms like Top Tier Gas are just marketing. The difference between an Arco and a Chevron is the additives. Chevron is going to have more detergents and what not but the gas itself is the same.

Octane is a measure of the fuel's resistance to self detonate. The higher the octane, the higher the pressure it can withstand before it lights itself. Higher compression and turbo cars need the higher octane to prevent knock and engine damage. Higher octane is not necessarily higher quality.

Theres nothing wrong with tossing in a bottle of techron every now and again. Its basically a concentrated bottle of the stuff they use in their gas. Like folks mentioned, its not going to do much for the valves in our cars but it can help prevent build up elsewhere in the fuel system. It can help keep the cylinder walls cleaner too. My personal favorite is SeaFoam fuel treatment.

Yes, what you're paying for is the additive package not the base product as you said.

You can literally run an F1 car on Shell 93 if you wanted, due to the formulation.

This video shows there's quite a difference in Walmart, BP, Shell, and Exxon fuel quality.

[Gen13 F36]

Originally Posted by AspektUSA

Yes, what you're paying for is the additive package not the base product as you said.

You can literally run an F1 car on Shell 93 if you wanted, due to the formulation.

This video shows there's quite a difference in Walmart, BP, Shell, and Exxon fuel quality.

I don't know about there in Europe but here in America according to a few sources (friends work in Mobil and ARCO California refinery). The gas that is made by different gas refinery to to the same location( tank), they are all combine.

When an order from a gas station is received ie shell, Mobil, arco, 76, Texaco and etc. A truck fill up the gas from the same source ie 87, 89, 91, 93 oct, then they proceed to a designated detergent depot for what station gas they are delivering. So if the truck going to deliver to a Chevron station, the truck get gas from a combine tank then go mixed it with a Chevron detergent.

[pdxpeter]

Originally Posted by AspektUSA

Yes, what you're paying for is the additive package not the base product as you said.

You can literally run an F1 car on Shell 93 if you wanted, due to the formulation.

This video shows there's quite a difference in Walmart, BP, Shell, and Exxon fuel quality.

That tells me that there is a very little difference actually. They also tested varying octanes which is what will potentially cause the most change in power output. I don't think they even mentioned the octane rating of the ASDA fuel so I assume is 87 or 89 since they called it basic unleaded.

Going over your car's octane rating won't do a whole lot since the car is tuned for a given octane. It doesn't know to change the tuning to take advantage of it.

Going lower than your car's octane rating can have a negative effect as the engine senses detonation and detunes the car.

I would rather see a straight comparison of brands at the same octane rating.

[Billfitz]

I doubt that comparison has much validity in the US, where you're almost always using E90. My assumption is that they don't have the ethanol lobby in Parliament that we have in Congress forcing it down our filler pipes.

[deviantspeed]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

Oil change? I thought this thread is for cleaner like techron.

I thought it was for a technician named Ron. He either cleans things for you, or he's ground up and you put him in the gas tank.

Maybe it's about Chevron's Techron product. I dunno, I'm confused.

[Gen13 F36]

Originally Posted by deviantspeed

I thought it was for a technician named Ron. He either cleans things for you, or he's ground up and you put him in the gas tank.

Maybe it's about Chevron's Techron product. I dunno, I'm confused.

That's a good one.... I work in healthcare field... I see patients and this made me have a good laugh ... thanks man.

[AspektUSA]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

I don't know about there in Europe but here in America according to a few sources (friends work in Mobil and ARCO California refinery). The gas that is made by different gas refinery to to the same location( tank), they are all combine.

When an order from a gas station is received ie shell, Mobil, arco, 76, Texaco and etc. A truck fill up the gas from the same source ie 87, 89, 91, 93 oct, then they proceed to a designated detergent depot for what station gas they are delivering. So if the truck going to deliver to a Chevron station, the truck get gas from a combine tank then go mixed it with a Chevron detergent.

Right, which is what my post said. The base product is essentially identical, but what you pay for is the additive package.

There is a measurable difference in the performance of each brand of fuel, as that video showed. 3-5hp delta between BP and Shell for example.

Euro spec fuel and American is essentially identical in 2020, as we now have similar sulphur requirements as them.

87 R+A/2 = 95 RON
93 R+A/2 = 98 RON

Originally Posted by pdxpeter;26032629

That tells me that there is a very little difference actually. They also tested varying octanes which is what will potentially cause the most change in power output. I don't think they even mentioned the octane rating of the ASDA fuel so I assume is 87 or 89 since they called it basic unleaded.

Going over your car's octane rating won't do a whole lot since the car is tuned for a given octane. It doesn't know to change the tuning to take advantage of it.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...dodge-charger/

C&D showed a 20hp gain in an F-150 between 87 and 93, whereas Ford says to use 87.

IDK what to tell you man.

[pdxpeter]

Originally Posted by AspektUSA

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...dodge-charger/

C&D showed a 20hp gain in an F-150 between 87 and 93, whereas Ford says to use 87.

IDK what to tell you man.

I think were saying the same thing, more or less. Its all about the octane.
Quality however is subjective. The octane in US gas is tightly regulated. 91 at Arco is 91 at Chevron which is 91 at Shell. There is nothing wrong with paying more for the additives in the "premium" brands. Also not going to hurt your engine by using Arco gas on occasion.

[XxThe_RemedyXx]

Originally Posted by Billfitz

I use Techron to keep the injectors clean, and an oil catch can to keep the intake manifold and valves clean. Two separate jobs that require two separate solutions.

Recommendation on a catch can for N55 F30?

[chowser51]

You want a kit or are you good with making tubes yourself?

Catch can off fleabay is $30?

A BMS kit is $199ish and comes with plug and play tubes and adapters with the can.

I got the bms kit. Lol

[Billfitz]

Originally Posted by XxThe_RemedyXx

Recommendation on a catch can for N55 F30?

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1614886

[AspektUSA]

Originally Posted by pdxpeter

I think were saying the same thing, more or less. Its all about the octane.
Quality however is subjective. The octane in US gas is tightly regulated. 91 at Arco is 91 at Chevron which is 91 at Shell. There is nothing wrong with paying more for the additives in the "premium" brands. Also not going to hurt your engine by using Arco gas on occasion.

That fifth gear episode I posted showed a 5hp difference in Shell 93 and BP 93.

Brand does matter, to an extent.

[Astone22]

My car is is about 3/4 full and the bottle says it treats about 12 gallons am I good to put the Techron in my car ?