[MashinBenzin]

I have no problem with the M3 looks. It's a bit derivative Jag/Audi but that's fine. The only bit that I don't get on with is the low windscreen. It's all a bit exposed looking. But haven't driven one, maybe that actually gives you a MG-B like view of the road and makes it all interesting.

[Nibbles]

I really like the look of that EV6 and it's not outrageously priced either. It'll be interesting to see what the 585bhp version is like and how much it shortens the range.

[Grant_7]

Originally Posted by saltyamigo

You do get a great forward view while driving, with no instrument binnacle it's totally clear, you can see the bottom of the windscreen across its full length. The rear view not quite so good as the boot lid is fairly high and the fixed headrests are quite large but you have reversing and side cameras.

Yes, completely agree with this.

[TodmordenLad]

Interesting Chris, thanks for sharing
Can easily see myself in an EV in three-four years time when I change the Mazda, by which stage things will have doubtless progressed a bit more with the national charging infrastructure.

[Nibbles]

Booked in to the launch event at my local Kia dealer for the EV6 in October. Thought I might as well go and have a look at one. I've been in a few different Tesla's and a Taycan that friends own. My brother has an ipace and so far none of these have struck me as decent value for money unless they're company cars (which all of the above are). The ioniq and EV6 seem like they may be more mainstream family car orientated so worth a look.

[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by Nibbles

Booked in to the launch event at my local Kia dealer for the EV6 in October. Thought I might as well go and have a look at one. I've been in a few different Tesla's and a Taycan that friends own. My brother has an ipace and so far none of these have struck me as decent value for money unless they're company cars (which all of the above are). The ioniq and EV6 seem like they may be more mainstream family car orientated so worth a look.

Might look at doing that myself - I'd be interested to see how it compares both size-wise and in terms of usability to the X3, given how high 2nd hand prices are just now....

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Nibbles

Booked in to the launch event at my local Kia dealer for the EV6 in October. Thought I might as well go and have a look at one. I've been in a few different Tesla's and a Taycan that friends own. My brother has an ipace and so far none of these have struck me as decent value for money unless they're company cars (which all of the above are). The ioniq and EV6 seem like they may be more mainstream family car orientated so worth a look.

I appreciate non of what we're talking about is cheap per sae. My eyes were opened a bit recently looking at Leasing the Tesla.

Hardly apples to apples but if you consider it offers more performance and tech (albeit whether you like that tech) for the money than say a 340i … and THEN throw in the fuel savings.

M3 LR undercuts a recent quote I've had for both a 440i and 330i MSport Pro model.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Nibbles

Booked in to the launch event at my local Kia dealer for the EV6 in October. Thought I might as well go and have a look at one. I've been in a few different Tesla's and a Taycan that friends own. My brother has an ipace and so far none of these have struck me as decent value for money unless they're company cars (which all of the above are). The ioniq and EV6 seem like they may be more mainstream family car orientated so worth a look.

Might have to find where my local Kia dealer is and when the launch is.....

[SteveChester]

I keep driving past that Tesla place ( the old Ford garage ) - it looks very strange and run down - thought they might have tidied it up a-bit even if it's only a service place!

[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

Might have to find where my local Kia dealer is and when the launch is.....

They seem to be running now - there's a dealer about 10 minutes away from me and they're running their launch event next Wednesday. Might go along for a wee mooch....booked a place anyway.

Offers pretty limited for the time being, but interested to see it in the flesh so to speak.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by SteveChester

I keep driving past that Tesla place ( the old Ford garage ) - it looks very strange and run down - thought they might have tidied it up a-bit even if it's only a service place!

I thought the same and it's what kept me out for quite a while!

I also just saw that Lease Loco are about £100 a month cheaper than Tesla themselves so things just hit even easier to get into one.

[JustChris]

Seem popular at the Trafford Centre…

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Seem popular at the Trafford Centre…

Cribbs Causeway (mall near here) has large areas looking a lot like that, I guess the cars ready for delivery. Seems so odd that they are just in a public car park.

[OnlyGerman]

I'm ready for a EV, just not sure if any Tesla is right for me. The price vs build quality is not on level…and they are EVERYWHERE.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by OnlyGerman

I'm ready for a EV, just not sure if any Tesla is right for me. The price vs build quality is not on level…and they are EVERYWHERE.

If I was in the market for an EV the thing that would attract me to a Tesla is their charging network; however, if they're going to allow non-Tesla's to use it for me that would eliminate at a stroke their main advantage over the competition.

But personally I'm not looking to be an early adopter with any of this EV stuff anyway - I suspect things will change quite significantly over the next 4 or 5 years so I'm happy to enjoy a nice petrol ICE for the time being and see how things develop!

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

Cribbs Causeway (mall near here) has large areas looking a lot like that, I guess the cars ready for delivery. Seems so odd that they are just in a public car park.

I'm not playing fair

5 yards to the right is a new (well to me anyway) Tesla Delivery and Service Centre. Its just some posh tents really but seems thats all it needs! They are installing 20 Superchargers at t he Traff Centre and gearing up for 150 cars a week delivery.

[Nibbles]

It'll be interesting to see how Tesla drivers are affected when they open up the Supercharger network to non Tesla EV's in the coming year. It would properly annoy me if I pulled up in a £120k model X to find I have to queue for 2 hours behind a line of Honda e's.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Nibbles

It would properly annoy me if I pulled up in a £120k model X to find I have to queue for 2 hours behind a line of Honda e's.

I think paying £120k for a Tesla would annoy me more...

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Nibbles

It'll be interesting to see how Tesla drivers are affected when they open up the Supercharger network to non Tesla EV's in the coming year. It would properly annoy me if I pulled up in a £120k model X to find I have to queue for 2 hours behind a line of Honda e's.

Indeed. I don't think it will come to that but Tesla are tripling their UK network apparently and it will be once in blue moon I'd need to charge away from home.

Also there's no queuing for hours its 1/2 hr max charge time and then some nice hefty fees kick in for Idle Fees.

Qtr on Qtr the network will improve.

Of course what we all want it just for it to be a perfect scenario with access for all and common adapters / plus and sites that work well! It will take some time but home charging will do me and would probably use the train for visits >3hr drive anyway now.

[Nibbles]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Indeed. I don't think it will come to that but Tesla are tripling their UK network apparently and it will be once in blue moon I'd need to charge away from home.

Also there's no queuing for hours its 1/2 hr max charge time and then some nice hefty fees kick in for Idle Fees.

Qtr on Qtr the network will improve.

Of course what we all want it just for it to be a perfect scenario with access for all and common adapters / plus and sites that work well! It will take some time but home charging will do me and would probably use the train for visits >3hr drive anyway now.

Yep I think it will probably be fine and there's enough other brand chargers being installed that soon it shouldn't be too much of an issue. I've worked out that if I can get an EV with a real life 200 mile range, there are only about 4 or 5 times a year I should ever need to charge at a public point and a few of those will be in France rather than the UK.

[davyk31]

I’m 2000 into EV ownership and haven’t used a public charger yet.
Can’t really see why Tesla want to give access to their chargers to everyone as that is one of their advantages but no doubt there are deeper reasons.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by davyk31

I’m 2000 into EV ownership and haven’t used a public charger yet.
Can’t really see why Tesla want to give access to their chargers to everyone as that is one of their advantages but no doubt there are deeper reasons.

I've always thought that they would rather supplant Shell then General Motors, and that was the game plan.