[MY340i]

Germany lockdown in a few days time and Italy to follow. Interesting

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by MY340i

Germany lockdown in a few days time and Italy to follow. Interesting

Do you mean lockdown or restrictions on those not vaccinated? or some restrictions on what people generally can do but not a lockdown (stay at home, dont go out except for work if you cant work at home, food shopping and a bit of exercise)

[ArthurKing]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

Do you mean lockdown or restrictions on those not vaccinated? or some restrictions on what people generally can do but not a lockdown (stay at home, dont go out except for work if you cant work at home, food shopping and a bit of exercise)

Sounds like (assuming the media are correct) that its going to be restrictions for the unvaccinated. In the UK, that would mean millions of adults with restrictions considering 20% of them are not fully vaxxed.

Will it help bring the infection rate down? Probably but something tells me its not going to be the dramatic fall they were hoping for.

Like I said, look at Gibraltar. 100% vaxxed. its still spreading.

[JustChris]

Who will stop or check people in the U.K. who are not vaccinated?

Shops don't even bother to deny access for something highly visible like a mask.

It really would be a nonsense to suggest a lockdown for those not vaccinated without actual policing of it.

[ArthurKing]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Who will stop or check people in the U.K. who are not vaccinated?

Shops don't even bother to deny access for something highly visible like a mask.

It really would be a nonsense to suggest a lockdown for those not vaccinated without actual policing of it.

Good point, the answer is nobody.

We live in a village and see a Police car once a week at most, its normally responding to an incident somewhere.

Sure, in major towns and cities you could have a police presence (assuming you can spare any) but other than that, its largely unenforceable, the same as masks has been.

The irony of German authorities stopping random people in the street asking to see their (vaccination) papers is going to make many a meme.

[Blacktemplar]

I had a call yesterday with someone who works in the UK for a French-owned company. When lockdown in France started, the army were out supporting the police, everyone had to have a letter authorised by a senior manager from their employer stating who they were, where they lived, why they needed to travel and where they were going to and this was rigorously checked by the authorities who had set up checkpoints to control movement.

The UK operation were told all employees here had to have the same letter, and these were duly issued. The site in question employs several hundred workers who travelled from Edinburgh, Glasgow & Stirling on a daily basis to keep the plant running.

In the months after the pandemic started, NOT ONE of these employees was ever stopped or asked where they were going, or asked for any evidence that their work was “essential”. The guy I was speaking to travels from Stirling, and he said you could count on one hand the number of police patrols he saw on major roads in the early days of the lockdown.

The chances of any new lockdown being policed - let alone enforced - are zero in my view.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Blacktemplar

The chances of any new lockdown being policed - let alone enforced - are zero in my view.

I agree and hence I think the chances of the UK trying to introduce a lockdown - or even additional restrictions - just for those who aren't vaccinated is a non-starter. As you say, it's unlikely a general lockdown would be policed and enforced effectively so I struggle to see how a more selective version that applied only to certain people would work....

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by JNW1

I agree and hence I think the chances of the UK trying to introduce a lockdown - or even additional restrictions - just for those who aren't vaccinated is a non-starter. As you say, it's unlikely a general lockdown would be policed and enforced effectively so I struggle to see how a more selective version that applied only to certain people would work....

Yep, they will either leave it to the business to self police - that will work well, they have probably not got enough staff for normal business and in some industries will want the custom.....

Mind we let people self declare their income for tax, and trust the good old honest British to do it right.....

[ArthurKing]

MSM reporting Austria are going to go into a full lockdown, vs what they announced before which was a lockdown of the unvaccinated.

I would assume this is because its not practical to police a lockdown of the unvaccinated?

Their case rate is well up, 15k a day vs 10k a day at the 'peak' for them but with only 65% fully vaxxed and delta being more transmissible, its no surprise its running rampant there.

The UK is on 80% fully vaxxed give or take so will be interesting to see how we differ going into the winter months and if that 15% extra makes a meaningful difference.

[Lando72]

Originally Posted by ArthurKing

MSM reporting Austria are going to go into a full lockdown, vs what they announced before which was a lockdown of the unvaccinated.

I would assume this is because its not practical to police a lockdown of the unvaccinated?

Their case rate is well up, 15k a day vs 10k a day at the 'peak' for them but with only 65% fully vaxxed and delta being more transmissible, its no surprise its running rampant there.

The UK is on 80% fully vaxxed give or take so will be interesting to see how we differ going into the winter months and if that 15% extra makes a meaningful difference.

That’s not quite right, the U.K. is only marginally better than Austria as their 65% is for the whole population and the U.K. measure you’ve mentioned is adults only. I think the U.K. measured the same is at 68%, so not much difference.

I suspect the roll out of third doses is what is helping the U.K. And perhaps less people are appearing on the official statistics in the U.K. too. I know plenty who tested positive by lateral flow, rechecked with a couple more, and have isolated for ten days, but not done a PCR.

[ArthurKing]

Originally Posted by Lando72

That’s not quite right, the U.K. is only marginally better than Austria as their 65% is for the whole population and the U.K. measure you’ve mentioned is adults only. I think the U.K. measured the same is at 68%, so not much difference.

I suspect the roll out of third doses is what is helping the U.K. And perhaps less people are appearing on the official statistics in the U.K. too. I know plenty who tested positive by lateral flow, rechecked with a couple more, and have isolated for ten days, but not done a PCR.

Interesting, I thought the 65% vs 80% was like for like but seems I am incorrect. Annoying they present stats in different ways! I suspect if cases start to rocket here again worse than they are now, BJ will do what he always does and wait until they are sky high, panic and put us into part or full lockdown which will be far too late to save the NHS from being overwhelmed. Rinse and repeat.

Weirdly enough I don't know a single person who has has Covid recently, we knew absolutely loads earlier in the year, ourselves included.

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Who will stop or check people in the U.K. who are not vaccinated?

Shops don't even bother to deny access for something highly visible like a mask.

It really would be a nonsense to suggest a lockdown for those not vaccinated without actual policing of it.

Easy. The capability is already rolled out.

Microsoft nano-bots in the vaccines, tracked via modules in lamp posts and motorway gantries. 5G masts keep spreading Covid so more vaccines/boosters are required.

It's a self-perpetuating model.

[Lando72]

Originally Posted by ArthurKing

Interesting, I thought the 65% vs 80% was like for like but seems I am incorrect. Annoying they present stats in different ways! I suspect if cases start to rocket here again worse than they are now, BJ will do what he always does and wait until they are sky high, panic and put us into part or full lockdown which will be far too late to save the NHS from being overwhelmed. Rinse and repeat.

Weirdly enough I don't know a single person who has has Covid recently, we knew absolutely loads earlier in the year, ourselves included.

You’re lucky. My wife had it last week, triple jabbed, so very mild.

At half term we went away with another family and all three of them got it while we were away. Parents both double jabbed.

A neighbour and friend has it now and is isolating, double jabbed. A few colleagues have it now, and a few more had it in last few weeks.

I can honestly say I’ve never known so many people with it! Although don’t know many that are seriously ill. Only one I’ve heard is a husband of one of my wife’s colleagues, double jabbed and in his 40’s, currently on a ventilator. Not good.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Watsey

Easy. The capability is already rolled out.

Microsoft nano-bots in the vaccines, tracked via modules in lamp posts and motorway gantries. 5G masts keep spreading Covid so more vaccines/boosters are required.

It's a self-perpetuating model.

I knew it!

[Tengocity]

I say no lockdowns and just let Darwinism do it's thing.

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Who will stop or check people in the U.K. who are not vaccinated?

Shops don't even bother to deny access for something highly visible like a mask.

It really would be a nonsense to suggest a lockdown for those not vaccinated without actual policing of it.

UK always had a political unwillingness from the start to enforce restrictions in the way some Europeans did We took a laid back approach from day 1.

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by Lando72

That’s not quite right, the U.K. is only marginally better than Austria as their 65% is for the whole population and the U.K. measure you’ve mentioned is adults only. I think the U.K. measured the same is at 68%, so not much difference.

I suspect the roll out of third doses is what is helping the U.K. And perhaps less people are appearing on the official statistics in the U.K. too. I know plenty who tested positive by lateral flow, rechecked with a couple more, and have isolated for ten days, but not done a PCR.

I thought that, but according to this, the 80% is over 12s

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations.

I think we were overtaken by a few countries over the summer, but seem to be doing better again now, in terms of vaccination numbers anyway

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-country/

[R0B]

Won't happen. Ever again. But if they want to do it for two weeks over Christmas and with Furlough it'll save me a ton on holiday pay for the team.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by R0B

Won't happen. Ever again. But if they want to do it for two weeks over Christmas and with Furlough it'll save me a ton on holiday pay for the team.

Well it wont.... they will then have holiday to take later and so will get leave twice and you will still have to pay it!

(holiday pay is at full pay even when on furlough, and not reclaimable....)

[TodmordenLad]

I'm in Portugal at the mo', visiting my eldest. Mask wearing on the metro and in (most) shops is mandatory and the level of compliance I've witnessed is 100%. Evidence of it being policed too on the metro. They have the highest rate of vaccination in Europe here at 88%. The public awareness campaigns they ran were all about protecting others as well as yourself/your family. All very impressive and very civilised.

[Scoobyd]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

I'm in Portugal at the mo', visiting my eldest. Mask wearing on the metro and in (most) shops is mandatory and the level of compliance I've witnessed is 100%. Evidence of it being policed too on the metro. They have the highest rate of vaccination in Europe here at 88%. The public awareness campaigns they ran were all about protecting others as well as yourself/your family. All very impressive and very civilised.

My best friend and god children live in Portugal, amongst several other friends, and this backs up what I've heard from them too. Compliance of mask wearing and respect for each other throughout this pandemic has been very high. That's the Portuguese for you though. Good and considerate people in the main! Usually go at least once a year and boy do I miss it. Have a great time!

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Scoobyd

My best friend and god children live in Portugal, amongst several other friends, and this backs up what I've heard from them too. Compliance of mask wearing and respect for each other throughout this pandemic has been very high. That's the Portuguese for you though. Good and considerate people in the main! Usually go at least once a year and boy do I miss it. Have a great time!

Agreed, only been once for a flying visit but loved every minute of it!

A friend is in Croatia and says similar about how they behave....it seems that the longer you have had freedom the less likely you are to behave in a manner which respects your countrymen...

(Scots should be well behaved then )