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      10-14-2013, 01:38 PM   #23
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According to this, Mercedes is the best selling luxury car in Canada
And Canadians don't like 5 series or Infinitis apparently.
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Not suprising. The RX has been the #1 luxury car in America for many years. Interesting to see the F30 take that spot.
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Im having a hard time understanding how the 4 series is a best selling car in north america- the car was barely released a month or so ago for sales- only a few deliveries have started for MY2014.
lol no kidding
People don't buy cars, dealers buy the cars, and then people buy the cars from the dealership.

Dealers check for demand through people ordering the new 4 series and order accordingly. And so that's how all the 4 series have been sold already, except they either haven't been shipped yet or produced.
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But what about all the posters that continue to maintain that the Series 3/4 are not luxury cars

The 3 series has become a luxury car, more now than ever. It used to be a premium sport sedan.
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Because it's the industry standard. A4/A5 sales and grouped together as well as C sedan and C Coupe. The 4 series is a 3 coupe, why would BMW break out another category for sale-it was never done that way before. People should not get so caught up in the number change from 3-4.
There is no indication that 5 and 6 Series are combined here, nor A4 and A5 for that matter. It is that inconsistency that is likely to be the cause for for the questions.
c klasse combines the sedan and coupe. 3er is sedan and 4er is coupe of 3er. makes sense to bunch them together. e klasse and 5er, then it should be more like 6er and cls.
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c klasse combines the sedan and coupe.
They are both C Class so it would be utterly arbitrary not to report them as such.

Sure, the 4 is technically a 3 Coupe. But then lots of automobiles are technically relatives of others; that doesn't mean they must be combined. The fact is there is an easily observed lack of consistency. If someone has the facts on why it is the way it is I'm sure everyone reading the thread would love to hear them.
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c klasse combines the sedan and coupe.
They are both C Class so it would be utterly arbitrary not to report them as such.

Sure, the 4 is technically a 3 Coupe. But then lots of automobiles are technically relatives of others; that doesn't mean they must be combined. The fact is there is an easily observed lack of consistency. If someone has the facts on why it is the way it is I'm sure everyone reading the thread would love to hear them.
I don't see the inconsistency here. For example a quick google search shows combined a4/5 sales were approx 30,000. If I recall correctly BMW sells as many X5s as that.

http://www.audiusanews.com/newsrelea...id=3583&mid=98


http://wrbw.membercenter.worldnow.co...es?config=H264

Worst selling cars in Canada, my perennial favorite made the list, the Acura ZDX

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2013/10...gures.html?m=1
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I agree. If you strip out the 4 series then the 3 series is no longer the top seller. And also if you include 3/4 together then you gotta do the same for the c-class sedan/coupe and its not clear from the list whether or not the c-class numbers include the coupe. Same would apply for A4/A5 (which may break top 10 if done that way?).
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its strange here in australia lexus would be last
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Who says 3/4 series are "luxury" cars? Have you guys seen them? I think all other cars have caught up with BMW in terms of luxury. Lexus and acura look pretty decent with same set of features.

I wouldn't call anything under 5 series/E-Class luxury. 3 series feel cheap and I drive a fully loaded M3 sedan before you attack me.
No need to attack you. As you rightfully said Acura and Lexus are also luxury cars. If you look at the list they are also included. So in essence you are stating the obvious really.

On a side note does stating that you have an M3 make your opinion weigh in more than say someone with a civic? It's just weird to me
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Merc.-230,000
BMW-212,000
Audi 114,000
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I don't see the inconsistency here.
The inconsistency is really quite blatant. The 3 and 4 are listed as one category for the US while the 5 is listed alone instead of combined with the 6. Additionally, the Canadian figure for the 3 does not include (or at least make mention of) the 4.

We can come up with all sorts of plausible reasons for the inconsistency, but by definition it is inconsistency nevertheless.
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Who says 3/4 series are "luxury" cars? Have you guys seen them? I think all other cars have caught up with BMW in terms of luxury. Lexus and acura look pretty decent with same set of features.

I wouldn't call anything under 5 series/E-Class luxury. 3 series feel cheap and I drive a fully loaded M3 sedan before you attack me.
There is no universally accepted definition for a luxury car so yours is fair game. However, in the interest of being able to communicate effectively with others on the topic without coming off as obtuse or difficult I'm not sure how practical a definition it is. But if you believe strongly in it, by all means carry that torch with pride.
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We can come up with all sorts of plausible reasons for the inconsistency, but by definition it is inconsistency nevertheless.
Fair point but if we examine the data:

3/4 series, compared with MB C Class (includes both sedan and coupe), compared with Infiniti G models (includes both sedan and coupe).

MB E class (no coupe) compared with 5 series (excludes 6 as this a coupe).

The data is comparing across different manufacturers but I think it has to make sense when comparing cars in the same segment (3/4 vs C class vs Infiniti G for example)

Unfortunately I was being US centric and I had not considered the Canada data
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The fact that i own a loaded m3 means that i own the most expensive 3 series available to this date (msrp was around 75k) and i still dont think its anywhere close to luxury. This is my 2nd M3 and 4the bmw in total. I am past 30 and i would not set foot in a 3 series unless it had the s65 and all the other things that make an M3 what it is. I love my car and i cannot be without it but my reason for owning is not luxury.

Have you actually sat in one of the latest lexus models? They cost much less than a 328/335, have a lot more features, and dont feel as cheap. The entry level BMWs (non M package/non M models) feel cheap all around from the seats to dashboard to steering wheel or back seats.

5 series and E class are what luxury is all about. 3 series gives you the bmw badge that an average person cannot afford with the 70-90k 5 series cars.

There is nothing wrong or offensive with what i said. If i were wrong, 5 series would just be a larger 3 series nothing more, but its not now is it?
I think the moderator, who also has an M3 put it eloquently.

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There is no universally accepted definition for a luxury car so yours is fair game. However, in the interest of being able to communicate effectively with others on the topic without coming off as obtuse or difficult I'm not sure how practical a definition it is. But if you believe strongly in it, by all means carry that torch with pride.
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MB E class (no coupe)
Oh? Check that. Like I say, it's blatantly inconsistent.
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Oh? Check that. Like I say, it's blatantly inconsistent.
So they are being consistent for the 3/4 segment and inconsistent for the 5 segment. As you said it's still inconsistent. It's clear now
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Ytd sales........
Merc.-230,000
BMW-212,000
Audi 114,000
False...m-b sales are 215k; people seem to always want to throw in smart and sprinter.
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People don't buy cars, dealers buy the cars, and then people buy the cars from the dealership.

Dealers check for demand through people ordering the new 4 series and order accordingly. And so that's how all the 4 series have been sold already, except they either haven't been shipped yet or produced.
Nope. Sorry. The sales reported are completed retail sales to end consumers.

As to why the 3er & 4er are reported together the reason has been stated in the thread multiple times. For those who think the way the 5er and 6er are reported makes the 3er/4er reporting inconsistent you need to educate yourselves on those two cars. The 6er has always been a very distinctive design completely apart from the 5er, not merely a two door version of the 5er. It's really not a complicated concept.
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As to why the 3er & 4er are reported together the reason has been stated in the thread multiple times. For those who think the way the 5er and 6er are reported makes the 3er/4er reporting inconsistent you need to educate yourselves on those two cars. The 6er has always been a very distinctive design completely apart from the 5er, not merely a two door version of the 5er. It's really not a complicated concept.
Please read all comments to see why your above theory (and it is just that - theory, and an easily refuted one at that) is nonsense.
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According to this, Mercedes is the best selling luxury car in Canada
That is correct, and has been the case since 2010. BMW was the winner before that.

I think if BMW Canada had a better website... compare it to the Mercedes-Benz Canada site and I'm not surprised they are doing better. I almost gave up on BMW after I went on their site and it required Java just to see the prices. And not only that, but I had to use a different browser and jump through hoops to get it to work. And after it worked and finally didn't crash one time, there was no way to see financing or leasing payment estimation. I think now you can do it, but it's unintuitive and a mess. I find myself browsing the MB site just for fun because it's just "fun" to use.
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