Front end wobble noise over small bumps at low speeds

deviantspeed · 01-30-2019, 09:55 PM

Mine is worse in this cold. Really do not like the noise feedback for $50k+++ car

obert · 01-30-2019, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rjdnyy224

Dang the whole rack huh? I had no idea this was such a common thing... Glad to hear it's nothing that will do damage if I don't do anything about it though, it really doesn't bother me.

CPO took care of the cost.

The only issue I have ever read is the steering clunk. But nothing about the clunk causing any other issues.

rjd_F30 · 01-31-2019, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by obert

CPO took care of the cost.

The only issue I have ever read is the steering clunk. But nothing about the clunk causing any other issues.

Ah, well if CPO covers it I might have to consider it.

obert · 01-31-2019, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rjdnyy224

Ah, well if CPO covers it I might have to consider it.

Just be aware that the will need to program the new rack and that will erase any coding you have done. I have a lot done to mine so that caused issues and I have bimmer tech CA kit and it also caused issues with that.

rjd_F30 · 01-31-2019, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by obert

Just be aware that the will need to program the new rack and that will erase any coding you have done. I have a lot done to mine so that caused issues and I have bimmer tech CA kit and it also caused issues with that.

Thanks for the heads up. I haven't done any coding, only electrical thing I've reprogrammed is the DME with a flash tune, but I can just clear that before and re-flash it after the repair.

truth649 · 01-31-2019, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaceme1117

Any update on this?

Just got it back. Noise is still there, worse than before. It is about 5 degrees out so I don’t know if that is why it seems worse than before. They replaced the drivers side strut assembly. Kind of pisses me off that they acknowledged the noise when they diagnosed it and returned it to me with a worse noise.

Spaceme1117 · 01-31-2019, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by truth649

Just got it back. Noise is still there, worse than before. It is about 5 degrees out so I don’t know if that is why it seems worse than before. They replaced the drivers side strut assembly. Kind of pisses me off that they acknowledged the noise when they diagnosed it and returned it to me with a worse noise.

My car is noticeably noisier with these very low temperatures. Kind of sounds like loose marbles. Considering your car is the same or worse (probably because of the temps), I would conclude that the problem is not the struts then.

More and more, I think this has to be just the nature of the car in combination with the cold. And I would be all F30's have the issue, but only a few people seem to notice.

The high today here was 15 F. By Monday, our high will be in the 60's. Will be interesting to see how the noise is then.

As for your car, I don't know if it is worth it to go back to the dealership then. Seems like BMW has no clue at all on this.

truth649 · 02-01-2019, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Spaceme1117

My car is noticeably noisier with these very low temperatures. Kind of sounds like loose marbles. Considering your car is the same or worse (probably because of the temps), I would conclude that the problem is not the struts then.

More and more, I think this has to be just the nature of the car in combination with the cold. And I would be all F30's have the issue, but only a few people seem to notice.

The high today here was 15 F. By Monday, our high will be in the 60's. Will be interesting to see how the noise is then.

As for your car, I don't know if it is worth it to go back to the dealership then. Seems like BMW has no clue at all on this.

I dropped it off again this morning and this time I took the service adviser for a ride and he noticed the noise before we even left the parking lot. He said it is possible that BOTH struts are bad, they only replaced the drivers side one. In my case, the noise is worse when it is cold, but it is present even in warm temps, just not as bad. They gave me a 340 as a loaner which was good for comparison, and the noise is not there with the loaner. Same car, M Sport, adaptive suspension. It will be interesting to see what they say. my guess is they will say they need to replace the other strut but I dont have a lot of confidence that will fix it. I'll keep you updated.

mkppk · 02-01-2019, 11:30 AM

I've had the same issue. 2014 335i xDrive with EDC (adaptive suspension).

Dealership replaced both struts under warranty in April 2018, I bought the car used shortly before that. It is January 2019 and the issue came back. They said it was the same issue and replaced both struts a second time. Almost immediately after leaving I can tell the noise is still there, maybe even worse. I'll be going back again but have begun researching it on my own and it seems pretty common.

Here are some interesting notes from my invoices:

Visit #1: "Shook down vehicle and found no loose suspension components. Found SIB related to similar concern, says to reprogram vehicle but vehicle level is above requested. 2 struts on order from Germany"

Visit #2: "Found front struts internally failing. Replaced front struts"

Looking at the dates, it is possible I've been noticing this more in the winter.

There is another long thread about this issue where there is a lot of talk about a software update that has resolved it for many people. It isn't clear if this just for adaptive suspension but it doesn't make a lot for sense that a software change would help non-EDC folks. See https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...795016&page=14

At this point I have doubts that the strut replacements are the correct fix, but at the same time they did say they found them to have internally failed. I'd like them to take a closer look at the potential software fix (altho they also say the software is updated past the SIB note), or the steering rack.

truth649 · 02-01-2019, 01:18 PM

Just got a text that now they are replacing the front tension arms and the sway bar links. They need to keep the car until at least Monday so I will have more news then.

Spaceme1117 · 02-01-2019, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by truth649

Just got a text that now they are replacing the front tension arms and the sway bar links. They need to keep the car until at least Monday so I will have more news then.

Thank you for the updates. Maybe they will have some luck.

Looking forward to your next update.

Spaceme1117 · 02-01-2019, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mkppk

I've had the same issue. 2014 335i xDrive with EDC (adaptive suspension).

Dealership replaced both struts under warranty in April 2018, I bought the car used shortly before that. It is January 2019 and the issue came back. They said it was the same issue and replaced both struts a second time. Almost immediately after leaving I can tell the noise is still there, maybe even worse. I'll be going back again but have begun researching it on my own and it seems pretty common.

Here are some interesting notes from my invoices:

Visit #1: "Shook down vehicle and found no loose suspension components. Found SIB related to similar concern, says to reprogram vehicle but vehicle level is above requested. 2 struts on order from Germany"

Visit #2: "Found front struts internally failing. Replaced front struts"

Looking at the dates, it is possible I've been noticing this more in the winter.

There is another long thread about this issue where there is a lot of talk about a software update that has resolved it for many people. It isn't clear if this just for adaptive suspension but it doesn't make a lot for sense that a software change would help non-EDC folks. See https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...795016&page=14

At this point I have doubts that the strut replacements are the correct fix, but at the same time they did say they found them to have internally failed. I'd like them to take a closer look at the potential software fix (altho they also say the software is updated past the SIB note), or the steering rack.

How would someone go about getting the software update done?

Spaceme1117 · 02-01-2019, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by truth649

Just got a text that now they are replacing the front tension arms and the sway bar links. They need to keep the car until at least Monday so I will have more news then.

I think I will try replacing my tension arms also as the kit isn't that expensive. Was going to replace the end links anyway.

Kaguro · 02-01-2019, 05:05 PM

Having the same issues with my 2015 GC 428xi as well. Definitely a lot louder when it is colder out in Canada's winter. Never noticed it in the warmer spring months when I purchased it last year but the noise started appearing when the weather temperature dropped in October. Very interested to see if anyone finds out what is causing this noise.

KRS_SN · 02-01-2019, 05:13 PM

i love my 335d so much except for the rattly noise from the drivers side over bumpy roads/manhole covers.
changing shocks and control arms and steering rack thrust piece and changing front tyres hasnt helped
2 different dealerships have tried and failed and keep telling me the suspension is in fab condition and the noise is 'normal'
sad because the car is perfect otherwise but the rattle constantly reminds me of a problem that i can't solve (faliure)

Livetodrive · 02-01-2019, 05:17 PM

I had a rattle over bumps at low speed. It was the blower.

Spaceme1117 · 02-01-2019, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Livetodrive

I had a rattle over bumps at low speed. It was the blower.

What do you mean, the blower? Could you elaborate?

Jam101jam · 02-01-2019, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Livetodrive

I had a rattle over bumps at low speed. It was the blower.

Yeah what you mean by blower?

Jam101jam · 02-01-2019, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaceme1117

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkppk

I've had the same issue. 2014 335i xDrive with EDC (adaptive suspension).

Dealership replaced both struts under warranty in April 2018, I bought the car used shortly before that. It is January 2019 and the issue came back. They said it was the same issue and replaced both struts a second time. Almost immediately after leaving I can tell the noise is still there, maybe even worse. I'll be going back again but have begun researching it on my own and it seems pretty common.

Here are some interesting notes from my invoices:

Visit #1: "Shook down vehicle and found no loose suspension components. Found SIB related to similar concern, says to reprogram vehicle but vehicle level is above requested. 2 struts on order from Germany"

Visit #2: "Found front struts internally failing. Replaced front struts"

Looking at the dates, it is possible I've been noticing this more in the winter.

There is another long thread about this issue where there is a lot of talk about a software update that has resolved it for many people. It isn't clear if this just for adaptive suspension but it doesn't make a lot for sense that a software change would help non-EDC folks. See https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...16&page=14

At this point I have doubts that the strut replacements are the correct fix, but at the same time they did say they found them to have internally failed. I'd like them to take a closer look at the potential software fix (altho they also say the software is updated past the SIB note), or the steering rack.

How would someone go about getting the software update done?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaceme1117

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkppk

I've had the same issue. 2014 335i xDrive with EDC (adaptive suspension).

Dealership replaced both struts under warranty in April 2018, I bought the car used shortly before that. It is January 2019 and the issue came back. They said it was the same issue and replaced both struts a second time. Almost immediately after leaving I can tell the noise is still there, maybe even worse. I'll be going back again but have begun researching it on my own and it seems pretty common.

Here are some interesting notes from my invoices:

Visit #1: "Shook down vehicle and found no loose suspension components. Found SIB related to similar concern, says to reprogram vehicle but vehicle level is above requested. 2 struts on order from Germany"

Visit #2: "Found front struts internally failing. Replaced front struts"

Looking at the dates, it is possible I've been noticing this more in the winter.

There is another long thread about this issue where there is a lot of talk about a software update that has resolved it for many people. It isn't clear if this just for adaptive suspension but it doesn't make a lot for sense that a software change would help non-EDC folks. See https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...16&page=14

At this point I have doubts that the strut replacements are the correct fix, but at the same time they did say they found them to have internally failed. I'd like them to take a closer look at the potential software fix (altho they also say the software is updated past the SIB note), or the steering rack.

How would someone go about getting the software update done?

+1 on this one

Mattx98 · 02-01-2019, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jam101jam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaceme1117

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkppk

I've had the same issue. 2014 335i xDrive with EDC (adaptive suspension).

Dealership replaced both struts under warranty in April 2018, I bought the car used shortly before that. It is January 2019 and the issue came back. They said it was the same issue and replaced both struts a second time. Almost immediately after leaving I can tell the noise is still there, maybe even worse. I'll be going back again but have begun researching it on my own and it seems pretty common.

Here are some interesting notes from my invoices:

Visit #1: "Shook down vehicle and found no loose suspension components. Found SIB related to similar concern, says to reprogram vehicle but vehicle level is above requested. 2 struts on order from Germany"

Visit #2: "Found front struts internally failing. Replaced front struts"

Looking at the dates, it is possible I've been noticing this more in the winter.

There is another long thread about this issue where there is a lot of talk about a software update that has resolved it for many people. It isn't clear if this just for adaptive suspension but it doesn't make a lot for sense that a software change would help non-EDC folks. See https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...16&page=14

At this point I have doubts that the strut replacements are the correct fix, but at the same time they did say they found them to have internally failed. I'd like them to take a closer look at the potential software fix (altho they also say the software is updated past the SIB note), or the steering rack.

How would someone go about getting the software update done?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaceme1117

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkppk

I've had the same issue. 2014 335i xDrive with EDC (adaptive suspension).

Dealership replaced both struts under warranty in April 2018, I bought the car used shortly before that. It is January 2019 and the issue came back. They said it was the same issue and replaced both struts a second time. Almost immediately after leaving I can tell the noise is still there, maybe even worse. I'll be going back again but have begun researching it on my own and it seems pretty common.

Here are some interesting notes from my invoices:

Visit #1: "Shook down vehicle and found no loose suspension components. Found SIB related to similar concern, says to reprogram vehicle but vehicle level is above requested. 2 struts on order from Germany"

Visit #2: "Found front struts internally failing. Replaced front struts"

Looking at the dates, it is possible I've been noticing this more in the winter.

There is another long thread about this issue where there is a lot of talk about a software update that has resolved it for many people. It isn't clear if this just for adaptive suspension but it doesn't make a lot for sense that a software change would help non-EDC folks. See https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...16&page=14

At this point I have doubts that the strut replacements are the correct fix, but at the same time they did say they found them to have internally failed. I'd like them to take a closer look at the potential software fix (altho they also say the software is updated past the SIB note), or the steering rack.

How would someone go about getting the software update done?

+1 on this one

I'm interested in knowing more about this software update. I wonder if it's similar to Dinan Shockware.

Livetodrive · 02-02-2019, 09:44 AM

The HVAC blower was loose in its mount. The BMW tech found it on the second service to find the rattle.

obert · 02-02-2019, 09:47 AM

I believe any type of software update for OEM parts would need to be done at the dealer.

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deviantspeed poopycat 266 Rep 791 Posts Drives: 2017 F31 330ixT Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: I live in a tent around Seattle iTrader: (0)	Mine is worse in this cold. Really do not like the noise feedback for $50k+++ car
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mkppk Private 17 Rep 88 Posts Drives: 335i xDrive M Performance Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: US iTrader: (0)	Both struts replaced twice - same issue. I've had the same issue. 2014 335i xDrive with EDC (adaptive suspension). Dealership replaced both struts under warranty in April 2018, I bought the car used shortly before that. It is January 2019 and the issue came back. They said it was the same issue and replaced both struts a second time. Almost immediately after leaving I can tell the noise is still there, maybe even worse. I'll be going back again but have begun researching it on my own and it seems pretty common. Here are some interesting notes from my invoices: Visit #1: "Shook down vehicle and found no loose suspension components. Found SIB related to similar concern, says to reprogram vehicle but vehicle level is above requested. 2 struts on order from Germany" Visit #2: "Found front struts internally failing. Replaced front struts" Looking at the dates, it is possible I've been noticing this more in the winter. There is another long thread about this issue where there is a lot of talk about a software update that has resolved it for many people. It isn't clear if this just for adaptive suspension but it doesn't make a lot for sense that a software change would help non-EDC folks. See https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...795016&page=14 At this point I have doubts that the strut replacements are the correct fix, but at the same time they did say they found them to have internally failed. I'd like them to take a closer look at the potential software fix (altho they also say the software is updated past the SIB note), or the steering rack.
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