[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by TimMcC

Thanks for this, been offered 10% off a factory order. Not taken the deal yet but expect I will before the week is out!

You're welcome! Cracking deal in today's market. Sitting in one the other day, it feels pretty good value at that price - premium feel, electric, decent size.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by TimMcC

Thanks for this, been offered 10% off a factory order. Not taken the deal yet but expect I will before the week is out!

Have you done a last minute carwow to check if it's a good deal? I was ok with my FType deal but ran Caroww and saw 15% was possible and just raised my preferred dealer if they could match it. Sure you have but just asking

[TimMcC]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Have you done a last minute carwow to check if it's a good deal? I was ok with my FType deal but ran Caroww and saw 15% was possible and just raised my preferred dealer if they could match it. Sure you have but just asking

Yes, CarWow was a lot higher than Drive the Deal. Autoebid got close, but not quite as good.

Giving the dealer an opportunity to match it, as they did lend me the car for 24 hours. Their initial offer was higher than the figure the configurator gives you, so don't feel too bad for them

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by Grant_7

The I-Pace is a very well screwed together car (built in Austria).

I've not driven one, but passengered with a close friend who's judgement I trust. He raved about it, and I was very impressed by the pax ride; very quiet and refined (much more so than my Tesla).

However the efficiency is poor. Circa 250 miles from 90kWh battery pack is not great. But that point can soon be overcome with a little man-maths (how much cheaper it will be than an ICE, etc).

250 miles from 90kWh is poor but the eTron is dreadful.

For comparison, from the manufacturer's websites :

eTron 50 : 71kWh / 175 miles (!!!)
iPace : 90kWh / 252 miles combined use
Tesla Y LR : 75kWh / 314 miles
KIA EV6 AWD : 77.4 kWh / 314 miles

[gangzoom]

Originally Posted by Watsey

250 miles from 90kWh is poor but the eTron is dreadful.

For comparison, from the manufacturer's websites :

eTron 50 : 71kWh / 175 miles (!!!)
iPace : 90kWh / 252 miles combined use
Tesla Y LR : 75kWh / 314 miles
KIA EV6 AWD : 77.4 kWh / 314 miles

You are not going to get any where near 300 miles of range out of a Model Y at M way speeds, 250 miles is much more realistic.

Equally I cannot see how a Kia EV6 can do 314 miles when the Ionqi 5 which is basically the same car will just about do 200 miles at Mway speeds.

[gangzoom]

Originally Posted by TimMcC

Thanks for this, been offered 10% off a factory order. Not taken the deal yet but expect I will before the week is out!

I would have thought you can get a bigger discount than that on an iPace? All the reports say there is loads of unsold stock. Its also the worst depreciating EV by far, 2 year old ones can be had for around £40k.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

You are not going to get any where near 300 miles of range out of a Model Y at M way speeds, 250 miles is much more realistic.

Equally I cannot see how a Kia EV6 can do 314 miles when the Ionqi 5 which is basically the same car will just about do 200 miles at Mway speeds.

Yes I assume we're all aware of that but what can you do for comparison other than quote the manufacturer specs? Have use some benchmark.

[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

You are not going to get any where near 300 miles of range out of a Model Y at M way speeds, 250 miles is much more realistic.

Equally I cannot see how a Kia EV6 can do 314 miles when the Ionqi 5 which is basically the same car will just about do 200 miles at Mway speeds.

The Ioniq 5 has a slightly smaller battery at 73Kwh vs the EV6's 77.4Kwh, but I agree that the headline range is not representative of the actual real-world range at motorway speeds.

This is quite an interesting resource: https://ev-database.uk/car/1479/Hyun...Long-Range-AWD

Quotes the "real world" range of the Ioniq 5 as 210 miles (m'way, mild weather) the Model Y as an estimated 235 miles, and the EV6 estimate is 230 miles.

There's also the not inconsequential impact of aerodynamics & coefficient of drag

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[JNW1]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

You are not going to get any where near 300 miles of range out of a Model Y at M way speeds, 250 miles is much more realistic.

Generally speaking I'd have thought steady speed running at around the motorway limit is about as easy as it gets for efficiency (or at least that's the way it tends to work with ICE engines). Therefore, if a Model Y range is only at 250 miles for that sort of work what's it going to be like if you're on something like hilly A or B roads where you're wanting to make progress and potentially use the acceleration to get past slower moving vehicles - are we talking sub-200 miles in that scenario?

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Yes I assume we're all aware of that but what can you do for comparison other than quote the manufacturer specs? Have use some benchmark.

This.

Total weight of he vehicle (i.e. number of occupants), wheel options, mix of driving, ambient temperature, etc, all have an effect.

Difficult to compare all vehicles oil the same basis. Manufacturer's published figures provide an indication, and perhaps are more accurate these days with the new test cycles.

[gangzoom]

Originally Posted by JNW1

Generally speaking I'd have thought steady speed running at around the motorway limit is about as easy as it gets for efficiency (or at least that's the way it tends to work with ICE engines).

EV motors have essentially 90%+ efficiency across the range, so going at 5mph versus 50mph is equally efficient. However the energy it takes to go at 50mph is massive versus 5mph.

So sustained running at 70mph+ drops EV range much quicker than at lower speeds purely because of the fact energy needed double for the same increase in speed.

[gangzoom]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Yes I assume we're all aware of that but what can you do for comparison other than quote the manufacturer specs? Have use some benchmark.

All I would say is some* manufactures have worked out how to game the official benchmarks to great effect, and its not the usual suspects .

[Grant_7]

Originally Posted by JNW1

Generally speaking I'd have thought steady speed running at around the motorway limit is about as easy as it gets for efficiency (or at least that's the way it tends to work with ICE engines). Therefore, if a Model Y range is only at 250 miles for that sort of work what's it going to be like if you're on something like hilly A or B roads where you're wanting to make progress and potentially use the acceleration to get past slower moving vehicles - are we talking sub-200 miles in that scenario?

In my experience, an EV driving cross-country (A and B roads) will be more efficient than on the motorway.

Also, regarding hills, an EV can make full use of regeneration on the descents, which helps the overall journey average.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by saltyamigo

Would agree with this as you're generally averaging a much lower speed than on the motorway. You have no accelerating through the gears like an ICE and with regen you lift off on the corners and rarely ever need to use the physical brakes.

Thanks both although for those of us with no experience of an EV it does all make it a bit difficult to get a handle on what the real world range is likely to be! However, in practice I suppose it doesn't really matter too much if you don't do more than 200 miles a day and can recharge at home...

[TimMcC]

Originally Posted by Watsey

250 miles from 90kWh is poor but the eTron is dreadful.

For comparison, from the manufacturer's websites :

eTron 50 : 71kWh / 175 miles (!!!)
iPace : 90kWh / 252 miles combined use
Tesla Y LR : 75kWh / 314 miles
KIA EV6 AWD : 77.4 kWh / 314 miles

In fairness, you're using the WLTP ranges for all these cars except the I-Pace. The WLTP for the I-Pace is 292 miles. You're also mixing battery sizes with usable battery sizes which you've quoted for the Kia. The usable size for each is:

e-Tron 50: 64.7 kWh
I-Pace: 84.7 kWh
Y LR: 70 kWh
EV6 AWD: 77.4 kWh

Some manufacturers quote usable in their marketing materials, most the full size.

Point still stands though, the I-Pace is not a particularly efficient EV vs the others. For me all that matters is the real range being over 200 miles, I can't think of a time I've ever chosen the most efficient car over all other concerns. To my eyes the I-Pace is the best looking, and has the nicest interior.

[TimMcC]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

I would have thought you can get a bigger discount than that on an iPace? All the reports say there is loads of unsold stock. Its also the worst depreciating EV by far, 2 year old ones can be had for around £40k.

The GFV is £30k after 4 years. Might depend on the trim level. Not been able to find it for a better price anywhere, and have now signed the deal

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by TimMcC

The GFV is £30k after 4 years. Might depend on the trim level. Not been able to find it for a better price anywhere, and have now signed the deal

Good man! Same GFV as my Disco after 4 years. You'd like to think that the iPace, as one of the few larger EVs (and with a great interior as you say) will do pretty well on that basis.

When will it arrive? Stock or factory?

[TimMcC]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

Good man! Same GFV as my Disco after 4 years. You'd like to think that the iPace, as one of the few larger EVs (and with a great interior as you say) will do pretty well on that basis.

When will it arrive? Stock or factory?

Thanks! Factory order as we ended up ticking a lot of boxes, allegedly building next month with delivery in November.

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by TimMcC

In fairness, you're using the WLTP ranges for all these cars except the I-Pace. The WLTP for the I-Pace is 292 miles. You're also mixing battery sizes with usable battery sizes which you've quoted for the Kia. The usable size for each is:

e-Tron 50: 64.7 kWh
I-Pace: 84.7 kWh
Y LR: 70 kWh
EV6 AWD: 77.4 kWh

Some manufacturers quote usable in their marketing materials, most the full size.

Point still stands though, the I-Pace is not a particularly efficient EV vs the others. For me all that matters is the real range being over 200 miles, I can't think of a time I've ever chosen the most efficient car over all other concerns. To my eyes the I-Pace is the best looking, and has the nicest interior.

I did grab the figures quickly - didn't spend too much on it !

To my eyes the adjusted figures just paint a worse picture - iPace has the largest usable battery, not the greatest range, and costs a lot more than the KIA. Looks are subjective, but I'd put the eTron / iPace / EV6 on par. The Tesla Y just looks awful.

Some manufacturers are desperate to be 'premium' (quality AND price) but in many cases the close competition makes it very difficult to achieve in the eyes of a lot of buyers.

Then you start looking at warranty periods...

[TimMcC]

Originally Posted by Watsey

I did grab the figures quickly - didn't spend too much on it !

To my eyes the adjusted figures just paint a worse picture - iPace has the largest usable battery, not the greatest range, and costs a lot more than the KIA. Looks are subjective, but I'd put the eTron / iPace / EV6 on par. The Tesla Y just looks awful.

Some manufacturers are desperate to be 'premium' (quality AND price) but in many cases the close competition makes it very difficult to achieve in the eyes of a lot of buyers.

Then you start looking at warranty periods...

Totally agree. Horses for courses.

I was interested in the Kia EV6 until my wife shot that idea down in flames

Never got to sit in one as the demo isn't in the area until next month, but my main concern was the interior quality fit and feel vs Audi & Jaguar.