[hsleiman]

Anyone know if it will be possible to order an Msport xdrive with a manual transmission? It seems like they took away the option of ordering a manual with the new xdrive 5 series

[Propagator]

Originally Posted by jzcrna

I'm excited about the F30, but the more I drive my TL with its power, mid-cycle facelift, navi, bluetooth audio, blind spot detection, heated and cooled seats, HDD, it is so hard to dismiss it as suitable in place of a BMW. The way they created these packages makes it that much more difficult to suffer depreciation on my car and incur a larger payment.

The proof will be in the test drive when the I4 hits the lots. If the drive is lousy, then it makes my decision easier.

I cannot say enough about my graphite luster 2012 refreshed TL Advance. We shall see this spring.

I once had a current gen pre facelift TL as a loaner, and while it was a very nicely equipped car, and it handled well enough, I couldn't get over how utterly lifeless the steering was. Such a huge let down, especially compared to my wife's first gen TSX. Did they fix this issue with the facelift? How do you like your steering?

[iwannabimmer]

Originally Posted by Frosty

You CANT get Comfort access unless you get ZPP?!?! tell me I am reading this wrong

You are not reading it wrong, unfortunately. No comfort access unless ZPP is ordered, which is a bummer.

I would like to add xenons, comfort access and heated seats to either Sport Line or M-sport, but the first two wont be doable. I hope that changes in the future, by the time I'm ready to replace my current car.

[jzcrna]

Originally Posted by Propagator

I once had a current gen pre facelift TL as a loaner, and while it was a very nicely equipped car, and it handled well enough, I couldn't get over how utterly lifeless the steering was. Such a huge let down, especially compared to my wife's first gen TSX. Did they fix this issue with the facelift? How do you like your steering?

Yeah, steering is not great, especially being FWD with the torque steer and all. Lots of body roll in turns. This is why we buy BMWs

Otherwise, the car is phenomenal.

[jzcrna]

Originally Posted by SoonerJohnInDallas

Please, please, please - for the love of God - please.... All people who keep wondering what's available and what's possible and questioning what they read and using bmwconfig.com and wondering if things are possible and...and...and. . . LOOK AT THIS POST: http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=612580. It contains the scans of the actual ordering specs from BMW North America. What it says is complete and correct.

Edit: LOL! I had to laugh when i looked back and realized all these questions are happening within the post with the scanned info from BMW NA at the top of the thread! Wow!

I wasn't questioning anything. The information is all there, but its nice to discuss the dilemma that the new option bundles are creating.

[SoonerJohnInDallas]

Originally Posted by jzcrna

I wasn't questioning anything. The information is all there, but its nice to discuss the dilemma that the new option bundles are creating.

My bad, jzcrna. Your post wasn't one of the offenders and I accidentally quoted it instead of one of the many others that are. :-) Sorry!

[jzcrna]

Originally Posted by SoonerJohnInDallas

My bad, jzcrna. Your post wasn't one of the offenders and I accidentally quoted it instead of one of the many others that are. :-) Sorry!

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Not including BlueTooth as standard equipment in this day of technology is ridiculous.
Charging $650 is even more ridiculous.
Frankly, I don't need or want BMW's service along with BT. I just want basic BT. They could at least offer basic BT for about $300 for those of us who will never use BMW's extra service. In the past 29 months of having my 135i I haven't used BMW's service even once.

The silly "comfort access" is now part of the premium pkg, but BT is not included and is not a stand alone option.
BT in a car is not just good tech, it's safety tech as you can make or take a call while keeping your hands on the wheel.
Plus, most states now have laws requiring no cell phone use unless you have a hands-free device.
So, what does BMW do? They don't include it as a standard item, and even remove it from the premium package.
This happened with the current models this year, and it continues to the brand new 3 series.
It's a minor thing but it's a stupid thing for them do too.

Yes, years ago audio system integrated BT was mostly available on higher end/higher cost automobiles. But now, blue tooth is standard on the low cost tiny Chevy Sonic.
This technology is no longer as expensive as it used to be. BMW is just taking advantage.

Base pricing seems ok until you start adding things that make a BMW a somewhat "luxury" car, then the pricing goes way up way fast.
Pretty much how it's been for a long time.

+1. Ridiculous that you spend $2550 for technology and you still can't stream music from your iPhone. Or in the case of a 328i spend over $3k for a premium package.

[Raspartan]

Is there any word of Canadian pricing yet? It goes without saying that it will be higher, but would be nice to know.

[unintelligible]

Originally Posted by SoonerJohnInDallas

My bad, jzcrna. Your post wasn't one of the offenders and I accidentally quoted it instead of one of the many others that are. :-) Sorry!

I guess you were referring to me then. The only reason I posted was because in regards to my original question, if you look at the order guide, it was also unclear that if you ordered Premium with Sport Line that there was no additional charge for leather. Under Sport Line, it just reads Leather = + $1450. Then, when I saw bmwconfig was acting the same way - I posted. Seems obvious that you would get it for free, but I figured I'd check here since I'm sure my local dealer would be completely clueless.

It's not as if I first went to bmwconfig, saw this then jumped right in here without having ever looked at the order guide. Trust me, I'm obsessing too much over this car for that to happen...

[bmrm396]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

No way...that would be something wrong on their end...if you dont get ZPP you need to pay $1450 for leather...if you get ZPP leather is included. I am not getting ZPP but am getting leather for $1450.

Does anyone know if u can get the larger screen without payin for the whole nav thing?

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

Does anyone know if u can get the larger screen without payin for the whole nav thing?

Nope, 6.5"standard, to get the 8.5" screen you need the technology package.

[gt0279a]

Base Price may be similar, but when you start adding several packages and options - the prices become about 10% higher than when I bought my 2010 E90.

Similar equipped:

E90 - $43,150
ZSP, ZPP, Nav, logic 7, Metallic Paint, Xenons, Sat. Radio

F30 - $46,845
ZSL (sport line), ZPP, ZTP (nav), ZPS (sound), Metallic Paint, Xenons

I understand they are additional features built in the packages (comfort access, 18" wheels, etc.) but I don't think it's worth almost $4K more.

[pcbrew]

Originally Posted by gt0279a

Base Price may be similar, but when you start adding several packages and options - the prices become about 10% higher than when I bought my 2010 E90.

Do you have detailed breakdown?

I compared 2011 and 2012 using bmwconfig.com and, for options you listed got the following US MSRP without destination charges. For 2012, 328 is more by ~$2K, and 335 is actually less.

- 2011 328i $44,075
- 2012 328i $45,950 (+$1,875)

- 2011 335i $50,725
- 2012 335i $50,050 (-$ 675)

[jzcrna]

Originally Posted by WW330

1. Ridiculous that you spend $2550 for technology and you still can't stream music from your iPhone. Or in the case of a 328i spend over $3k for a premium package.

I believe that you do get standard Bluetooth for telephone calls, but you must order tech package and BMW assist to get "enhanced" Bluetooth, which would then include Bluetooth audio.

[AcuraGuy]

Wait...so I can't even get the sports package (seats and suspension) unless I get the Sports Line (ZSL)? What if I want the Modern line but with sporty seats and suspension? Must I be stuck with this tacky red accented interior and black side mirrors just for the sports package?

Is anyone else pissed about this?!

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by AcuraGuy

Wait...so I can't even get the sports package (seats and suspension) unless I get the Sports Line (ZSL)? What if I want the Modern line but with sporty seats and suspension? Must I be stuck with this tacky red accented interior and black side mirrors just for the sports package?

Is anyone else pissed about this?!

Correct, you can not get sport with modern. And there are some other options instead of the red stripe, there is a real nice high-gloss black under alumninium thats awesome looking.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by AcuraGuy

Wait...so I can't even get the sports package (seats and suspension) unless I get the Sports Line (ZSL)? What if I want the Modern line but with sporty seats and suspension? Must I be stuck with this tacky red accented interior and black side mirrors just for the sports package?

Is anyone else pissed about this?!

it infuriates me. Yes, hello, BMW? I'd like to order my blue sport line 3 series with saddle brown leather. Nope, sorry not available, and even if it were you'd have to have red interior accents with it. F**K OFF BMW!

[Shuttlegoose]

It looks like a lot of people are upset. I wonder when BMW will catch on and make some changes

[ManMachine]

Other automakers do limit the color combinations, but in this case when the traditional ZSP can no longer be ordered with other color combinations other than the Sport Line, it just seems plain stupid.

[trfortin69]

that's crazy you have to pay 3600 to get the xenons, it looks like I'm getting the 335i instead of a 328. to bad I'd liked to have had the better MPG's. but to pay that much I can't justify not buying a 335i with the 1k difference.

I priced mine out with similar options, however I really like Xenons so that bumps the 328i up to 335i levels. I hope BMW adjust that requirement of the premium packge for the 328i..

total 328i $47,590.00 335i $48,645.00 difference $1,055.00

Originally Posted by Propagator

From a glance, it seems like the 335i pricing is quite reasonable.

However, it seems that despite the rather modest increase in base price, the pricing for the 328i has gone up a good bit. Of course the standard equipment level has gone up, but really the only things that are significant are the iDrive, and the Bluetooth. The former to me is meaningless as I never get enough gadgets to warrant such a complication in control, although the latter is something that really should've come standard in the E90 as well.

Beyond that though, the sports package price has gone up by $500 despite being basically the same package. The xenon only comes with the premium package, which is a real bummer since most people want it for practical and cosmetic reasons. And of course, the value package including leather had been standard for E90 for a while, with no restriction on the leather color choice that allowed me to get M sport with saddle brown (which I think looks very nice with LeMans Blue).

So as others have said already, if you don't need leather and if you don't need xenon, then a 328i with just the sports package is only up by $800. But if you want leather, that's $800+$1450=$2250 more. If you really must have the xenon, then you have to shell out $3600 for the ZPP, although that includes leather and for some ZPP will be a no brainer anyway for other reasons.

All in all, it's nothing unexpected given that the car is all new, and in case of the 328i, with a significant improvement in objective performance and efficiency. Besides, the N20 is probably more costly to build than the N52 anyway. But that iDrive screen isn't free I don't think.

[yuyue]

Originally Posted by doublevanosrc

That the "base" price the 328i should at least come with xenons as standard.

I agree