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      05-26-2016, 02:50 PM   #1
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Hey guys, just lowered my car and I'm looking into getting some apex ec-7. Going with 18's. 9.5 in the back with a 265, unsure if I should get 8.5 or 9? Planning to stay low so I don't want any rubbing issues. What size tire and wheel width would be good? Also would 8.5 or 9 be better for handling?
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best handling is square or stagger that is near square, i.e. 245/255 255/265

from the widths and offsets available for ec-7, your drop and a N20 engine (which is not that mighty)

i'd do 18x8.5 ET35 face1 with 245/40 front, 18x9 ET31 face2 with 255/40 rear

if you're set on having 265 rear then 18x9 ET31 face 2 with 255/40 front and 18x9.5 ET35 face2 with 265/40 rear

if you don't mind a bit of understeer then 18x8.5 ET35 face1 with 235/45 fronts and 18x9.5 ET35 face 2 with 265/40 rears. you could do 245/40 fronts also but your car will sit lower in front by 9/16" (forward rake)

since your lowered a lot, if your fenderwell gap is none or your fender is below your tire you may rub with any of these options and may have to adjust your coilover height or adjust your camber
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best handling is square or stagger that is near square, i.e. 245/255 255/265

from the widths and offsets available for ec-7, your drop and a N20 engine (which is not that mighty)

i'd do 18x8.5 ET35 face1 with 245/40 front, 18x9 ET31 face2 with 255/40 rear

if you're set on having 265 rear then 18x9 ET31 face 2 with 255/40 front and 18x9.5 ET35 face2 with 265/40 rear

if you don't mind a bit of understeer then 18x8.5 ET35 face1 with 235/45 fronts and 18x9.5 ET35 face 2 with 265/40 rears. you could do 245/40 fronts also but your car will sit lower in front by 9/16" (forward rake)

since your lowered a lot, if your fenderwell gap is none or your fender is below your tire you may rub with any of these options and may have to adjust your coilover height or adjust your camber
Since I am low, and wish to stay that way, how much camber would I need? Would it defeat the purpose of handling? Any pics of what it'd look like if I get more camber for the front. Also, would I need spacers?
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Since I am low, and wish to stay that way, how much camber would I need? Would it defeat the purpose of handling? Any pics of what it'd look like if I get more camber for the front. Also, would I need spacers?
spacers would make your offset even lower and possibility of rubbing greater, so you don't need that

you'll have to load each corner and adjust camber accordingly, until it doesn't touch. if you add camber it increases the handling albeit at the expense of inside tire wear.

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Really like that the performance would be great, but just not a fan of the look and stance of the car. I like the look of these cars, and their fitment is amazing imo. If I were to go this route, what size tires would I need? Also would I need spacers? And what size wheels would be suitable to look like the following pics but in 18's? Thanks for your help really appreciate all of the knowledge. And one other thing, would I have to roll or pull the fenders to achieve the fitment of the white f30? And are those 19's on it?
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Really like that the performance would be great, but just not a fan of the look and stance of the car. I like the look of these cars, and their fitment is amazing imo. If I were to go this route, what size tires would I need? Also would I need spacers? And what size wheels would be suitable to look like the following pics but in 18's? Thanks for your help really appreciate all of the knowledge. And one other thing, would I have to roll or pull the fenders to achieve the fitment of the white f30? And are those 19's on it?
i don't believe you need any spacers with your offsets and widths but if you do you would add the size of spacer that barely clears. you figure this out by getting washers and stacking them until the desired look is achieved then order spacers the thickness of the washers.

the cars in the pics are running stretched tires so that the sidewall is going inwards thus giving more clearance. i'm not a fan of this and it will cause the car to handle more poorly because the sidewall is part of the tread during hard cornering. you could do mild stretch by downsizing 10mm from optimum tire width for a given rim width.

the rear fenders have nothing to roll. the fronts could be rolled however i'd refrain from that unless that's a last resort. it's easy to damage/stretch the metal and crack paint unless you really know what you're doing.

i notice both cars are at least 19's if not 20's and have deep lips which an 18" ec-7 looks nothing like. you may want to change your selection to 19's and a different style

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Really like that the performance would be great, but just not a fan of the look and stance of the car. I like the look of these cars, and their fitment is amazing imo. If I were to go this route, what size tires would I need? Also would I need spacers? And what size wheels would be suitable to look like the following pics but in 18's? Thanks for your help really appreciate all of the knowledge. And one other thing, would I have to roll or pull the fenders to achieve the fitment of the white f30? And are those 19's on it?
i don't believe you need any spacers with your offsets and widths but if you do you would add the size of spacer that barely clears. you figure this out by getting washers and stacking them until the desired look is achieved then order spacers the thickness of the washers.

the cars in the pics are running stretched tires so that the sidewall is going inwards thus giving more clearance. i'm not a fan of this and it will cause the car to handle more poorly because the sidewall is part of the tread during hard cornering. you could do mild stretch by downsizing 10mm from optimum tire width for a given rim width.

the rear fenders have nothing to roll. the fronts could be rolled however i'd refrain from that unless that's a last resort. it's easy to damage/stretch the metal and crack paint unless you really know what you're doing.

i notice both cars are at least 19's if not 20's and have deep lips which your an 18" ec-7 looks nothing like. you may want to change your selection to 19's and a different style
Yes I'm debating whether I want a performance set of wheels. Or go for looks. I go to many car meets and enjoy cars with some stance. So I plan on getting 19's, the vip modular vrc110. By going this way and getting more camber to clear them, what offset would I need for the wheels, and what size tires wouldn't be too much stretch, and what width to achieve that sort of fitment. Preferably the look of the white f30? Won't be tracking my car or any sort, just going on cruises with my buddies and on some canyon runs/cruises
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here's some info.

http://www.myapexparts.com/2013/08/0...ly-aggressive/

maybe run a similar setup except 18x9 ET31 Face2 with 235/45 Front (so there's no rub) and 18x10 ET33 Face2 with 255/40 Rear. so the stretched part of the sidewall will tuck. sorry change the rears to 18x10 ET43 Face2 with 255/40

check out this thread and notice wheel widths, tire widths, offsets etc and try to figure out from there.

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=909786

you don't need spacers as the wheel lip will already be outside of your fender. you may also need front camber plates, not sure what they use to increase rear camber adjustment if the stock adjustment is not enough.

i suggest asking apex specialist since i believe in functionality and performance over form/looks. i don't believe in tire stretch and having extra rim material to create that type of look as it's just added weight, less protection and compromising the sidewall if the stretch is too extreme and your cornering hard

if your going with the modular i'd say just copy the widths offsets and tire widths listed in your other thread. you don't need spacers since the offsets are low and your rim is wide

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Thanks for the help. One last thing and I'll stop bugging you. What do you think of a square setup of 9's all around with 245's. Or 245 in the front and 255 in the back. Would this look good and sit flush? And maintain the same ride height with 18's? Thinking this may be the best route. What offset should I run all around? And what tires 245/40 or 245/35
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Thanks for the help. One last thing and I'll stop bugging you. What do you think of a square setup of 9's all around with 245's. Or 245 in the front and 255 in the back. Would this look good and sit flush? And maintain the same ride height with 18's? Thinking this may be the best route. What offset should I run all around? And what tires 245/40 or 245/35
If you plan on running a 245, I would go with an 8.5 width, it would be a bit stretched on a 9 unless you absolutely needed that for clearance reasons.

I have a set of APEX 18x8.5 et35 with 245/40 sitting in my garage right now. Going on the car tomorrow and can post some pics if you are interested.
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Thanks for the help. One last thing and I'll stop bugging you. What do you think of a square setup of 9's all around with 245's. Or 245 in the front and 255 in the back. Would this look good and sit flush? And maintain the same ride height with 18's? Thinking this may be the best route. What offset should I run all around? And what tires 245/40 or 245/35
you wrote 9's. did you mean 19" diameter or 18x9" square? i can try and tell you what to get but you need to tell me what your wheel choice is so i can see what widths and offsets are available, unless it is a wheel that you can order a custom offset. as far as tire size 245 square, 255 square, 245f/255r or other stagger, it's all good. you need to pick what you want so the wheel width and offset can be chosen from there. i have a feeling what you want in terms of looks and performance. if i had to arbitrarily just pic i would say in either 18" or 19" diameter, for front use a wheel 9" wide ET35ish with a 235/245/mild stretch. for the rear use 9.5"-10" wide ET40ish with 255/265mild stretch.

idk, that's the best i can offer without knowing what wheels and tire size you want to use.
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Thanks for the help. One last thing and I'll stop bugging you. What do you think of a square setup of 9's all around with 245's. Or 245 in the front and 255 in the back. Would this look good and sit flush? And maintain the same ride height with 18's? Thinking this may be the best route. What offset should I run all around? And what tires 245/40 or 245/35
you wrote 9's. did you mean 19" diameter or 18x9" square? i can try and tell you what to get but you need to tell me what your wheel choice is so i can see what widths and offsets are available, unless it is a wheel that you can order a custom offset. as far as tire size 245 square, 255 square, 245f/255r or other stagger, it's all good. you need to pick what you want so the wheel width and offset can be chosen from there. i have a feeling what you want in terms of looks and performance. if i had to arbitrarily just pic i would say in either 18" or 19" diameter, for front use a wheel 9" wide ET35ish with a 235/245/mild stretch. for the rear use 9.5"-10" wide ET40ish with 255/265mild stretch.

idk, that's the best i can offer without knowing what wheels and tire size you want to use.
That's perfect! Thanks for the help
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if you do get ec-7's the size you should get is 18x9 ET42 front with 245/40 (or maybe 235/45) and 18x9.5 ET43 rear with 255/40.

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...pex+18x9+%2B42

if you notice M-Terkait's blue 335i has these sizes and it appears that it is flush with non stretched tires. if his was lowered to your height, it would rub. since you would run mild stretch it would help but i'm not certain it would not rub.
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if you do get ec-7's the size you should get is 18x9 ET42 front with 245/40 (or maybe 235/45) and 18x9.5 ET43 rear with 255/40.

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...pex+18x9+%2B42

if you notice M-Terkait's blue 335i has these sizes and it appears that it is flush with non stretched tires. if his was lowered to your height, it would rub. since you would run mild stretch it would help but i'm not certain it would not rub.
If it does rub, what's to worst that'll happen? Saw a picture of apex racing f30, would it be like that most likely? Or not as bad
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If it does rub, what's to worst that'll happen? Saw a picture of apex racing f30, would it be like that most likely? Or not as bad
if it rubs the tires get cuts from the fender and you get irritated with the sound of it happening. at worst it could push the fender outwards, maybe dent or damage paint. increasing negative camber with factory adjustment or a camber kit as required, would be one solution.

definitely query whomever you're buying the wheels from about all of this. don't take my answers, suggestions, opinions as gospel. i'm definitely not responible if something doesn't work out. just trying to help

would be nice if some of the "stance" guys chimed in

additionally M-Terkait's car appears stock suspension. not sure how close the inside of the front wheel will be to your KWV2's.

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If it does rub, what's to worst that'll happen? Saw a picture of apex racing f30, would it be like that most likely? Or not as bad
if it rubs the tires get cuts from the fender and you get irritated with the sound of it happening. at worst it could push the fender outwards, maybe dent or damage paint. increasing negative camber with factory adjustment or a camber kit as required, would be one solution.

definitely query whomever you're buying the wheels from about all of this. don't take my answers, suggestions, opinions as gospel. i'm definitely not responible if something doesn't work out. just trying to help

would be nice if some of the "stance" guys chimed in

additionally M-Terkait's car appears stock suspension. not sure how close the inside of the front wheel will be to your KWV2's.
Thanks for the help. This is the last thing promise. Think this is the best setup for looks and not losing performance too much. Do you know the specs of this setup and do you think there's rubbing issues?
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http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...hlight=VMR+810

it says 19x8.5 ET35 front and 19x9.5 ET40 rear. the tire size looks like 245/35(or30) fronts and 255/35(or30) or 265/35(or30) rears.

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http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...hlight=VMR+810

it says 19x8.5 ET35 front and 19x9.5 ET40 rear. the tire size looks like 245/35(or30) fronts and 255/35(or30) or 265/35(or30) rears.

contact VMR for exact answer
If I get the v721 and get 19x8.5 et 35 in the front ill be good. However I want to know If ill be fine with 19x9.5 et 33 in the rear. If so what size tires will i need, stretch is fine. And is 235 good in the front?
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If I get the v721 and get 19x8.5 et 35 in the front ill be good. However I want to know If ill be fine with 19x9.5 et 33 in the rear. If so what size tires will i need, stretch is fine. And is 235 good in the front?
235 front should work. 19x9.5 +33 will probably rub since the 19x9.5 +40 looks like its almost touching. the +33 rim edge will be 7mm further out with the same camber.

contact VMR for fitment questions would be appropriate
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If I get the v721 and get 19x8.5 et 35 in the front ill be good. However I want to know If ill be fine with 19x9.5 et 33 in the rear. If so what size tires will i need, stretch is fine. And is 235 good in the front?
With the new wheels i put on recently, I'm now running:

F: 235/35R19 w/ 19X8.5 +35 (+12mm spacer, so effective offset is +23)
R: 265/30R19 w/ 19X9.5 +30

and lowered to where i can barely clear a folded newspaper laying on the ground, and i have no issues. However, i have little room for margin. I could probably get away with an additional few mm in the front, but the rears are perfectly fitted to provide the lowest offset possible. There may even be a few millimeters of poke in the rears. I can post a pic if you want.

I was using a 275/30/19 w/ 19x9.5 +35 on the rears with the old wheels, but with the additional 5mm offset decrease with my new setup, i had to go down to 265 to insure it was going to clear. i might have even gone 255 or lower to do a stretch (so that i could afford a little more poke), but in the end i like the look of a beefier tire on my setups.

However, with all that said, i have no rubbing issues on the wheels. About the only thing that scrapes is my splitter lip going over steep driveways and extra large speed bumps, but i make it over safely over just about everything else. But the wheel/tire set up is giving me NO problems with the fenders, rubbing, etc...

Of course, i have to dial in the ride/coilovers to be stiffer, as with a set up like this you don't want to be bouncing around going over bumps
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If I get the v721 and get 19x8.5 et 35 in the front ill be good. However I want to know If ill be fine with 19x9.5 et 33 in the rear. If so what size tires will i need, stretch is fine. And is 235 good in the front?
With the new wheels i put on recently, I'm now running:

F: 235/35R19 w/ 19X8.5 +35 (+12mm spacer, so effective offset is +23)
R: 265/30R19 w/ 19X9.5 +30

and lowered to where i can barely clear a folded newspaper laying on the ground, and i have no issues. However, i have little room for margin. I could probably get away with an additional few mm in the front, but the rears are perfectly fitted to provide the lowest offset possible. There may even be a few millimeters of poke in the rears. I can post a pic if you want.

I was using a 275/30/19 w/ 19x9.5 +35 on the rears with the old wheels, but with the additional 5mm offset decrease with my new setup, i had to go down to 265 to insure it was going to clear. i might have even gone 255 or lower to do a stretch (so that i could afford a little more poke), but in the end i like the look of a beefier tire on my setups.

However, with all that said, i have no rubbing issues on the wheels. About the only thing that scrapes is my splitter lip going over steep driveways and extra large speed bumps, but i make it over safely over just about everything else. But the wheel/tire set up is giving me NO problems with the fenders, rubbing, etc...

Of course, i have to dial in the ride/coilovers to be stiffer, as with a set up like this you don't want to be bouncing around going over bumps
Yes post a pic please. So do think I'd be good with the setup? Or would I need spacers? 19x8.5 et35 with a 235/35/19 tire in the front and 19x9.5 et45 with a 255/35/19 in the rear? Or will there be rubbing issues? Car is this low for reference
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Joe -

If my setup will work with no rubbing, yours is a slam dunk. I would recommend you read this article by Turner so that you have a better understanding of offsets work: https://www.turnermotorsport.com/t-wheel_guide

As to your spacer question, it really depends on how aggressive you want your set up to look. In your pic, its very clear that the tires are sunken into the wheel well a good 1/2 inch or more. To me personally, because i like a real aggressive look, i would push those suckers out till you are at least flush with the fender.

The first pic below is my car with 19x8.5 +35 with an added 12mm spacer. You can see if you like that look. So without it, the tire would be half an inch more sunken into the well. I don't have any rubbing issues. Also, for reference, you can see the newspaper laying on the driveway so that you can see how much my car is lowered. Btw.. if that is a pic of your car, i'm way more lowered than you, so again, you shouldn't have ANY problems what so ever.

As to the rears, my offset in the back is +30, which is a little bit poked out past the fender, but only by a few mm. Flush would be just over +35. Since you are at +45, you are waaaaayyyyy safe. If i'm lowered more than you and have way more aggressive offsets than you, and i still don't rub, then you have nothing to worry about.

The only thing i would worry about if i were you is if people look at your car, and go "meh, he could go more... "
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