[Londoner]

Originally Posted by winther1

It's accelerate/stop most of the journey and of course sport+/xhp stage 3 so not surprised
Bmw is doing the servicing so not worried about low grade oil. Whenever I motorways/extra urban, the mileage is great.

Hehe mostly sport+?! You badass. Forgot about your tunes - that's certainly a factor.

I use BMW too - it's not about the quality though mate, it's the viscosity. There are 4-5 iirc approved B58 oil types, the thicker stuff will make a difference in MPG (and some say even performance figures).

[Abzynthe]

I don't have xhp yet but my MPG has improved about 5mpg since getting Bootmod3 Still only averaging 25ish though.

[apex_crisis_]

Originally Posted by Abzynthe

I don't have xhp yet but my MPG has improved about 5mpg since getting Bootmod3 Still only averaging 25ish though.

Wait till you do stage 2! My motorway MPG stayed the same but in the city or out in the country lanes it likes to gobble that petrol up under acceleration! I think I average about 14mpg driving around London (XHP stage 3 as well, sport+ usually).

[beerglass007]

Originally Posted by AniMajor

Looks awesome! I wanted a GC originally, still slightly on the fence..

Sorry, what's BMW AUC? Specific auction site?

Thanks

I’ve had quite a few BMW over the years now and the GC F36 ticks with the 440i is the best

Get engine, handling and space. The F30 had rear folding seats but hard to get stuff into boot opening. The F31 was bigger but like a wardrobe in looks, the 330d and 335d was better MPG but heavy on corners and doesn’t sound as good as B58 engine. The GC has looks, feels lighter on corners, feels lower than f30,f31 and has the same type of boot and opening as F31 but the looks

[beerglass007]

Guys I’ve got a 69 plate and can’t fit MPPSK

I was looking at either a secondhand MPE but isn’t valved or going down the Remus exhaust option which is only backbox but uses the OEM valves

Then a local exhaust place said they could do a RES delete. So I’ll end up with a Remus exhaust and RES delete, but still keeping the OPF filter which is required

I’ve seen loads of OPF 140i with a REMUS exhaust which includes the RES delete but they don’t do the same for the 440i, only the backbox. So i assume if I get the RES delete myself it will sound the same as the 140i ???

If so that’s about all i can do and doesn’t sound too bad ?

What do you think or anyone got a better idea ?

Thanks

[g9icy]

I've recently joined the B58 club with my 2018 440i GC and would like some advice.

While it's out of its initial warranty, it is AUC and has an extended warranty and with it only having 6k on the clock, it could yet become a lemon, so I'm not keen on the idea of losing the warranty.

However, I'm a little bit annoyed that the engine isn't really at its full potential.

So I have 2 options, the MPPSK which is expensive and by the looks of it quite anti-social, or I can remap it which would void the warranty but is significantly cheaper and keeps the stock exhaust. Admittedly the stock exhaust isn't loud enough when pushing on, but I don't want anything too boisterous.

I'd personally not like to buy a remapped car, so I feel that remapping my own and selling it later down the line is a questionable thing to do, even if I would likely do a conservative map.

The MPPSK is ideal as it keeps the warranty, but I have to leave the house at 5am a lot, so the louder cold start, potential for motorway drone and it being a bit trigger happy on the pops and bangs puts me off the exhaust. Perhaps I could get it done then change the exhaust later, but that's even more money...

What are people's thought's/advice on what to do?

What did you decide to do for your own 40i's, and what were the reasons behind that decision?

[Deep Pan]

I started with an mpe backbox and changed to the mppsk after about a week.

Reason being is that I set out to get the mppsk before I even bought the car (in the same way I decided to supercharge my gt86 before I even bought it. Lol)

In comfort mode there is no drone from the mppsk, I didnt think there was with the MPE either but different people will perceive that differently, mppsk definitely droned in sport mode, to the point that I only go into sport mode if I really want it loud.

Both the mppsk (valves closed) and the mpe are pretty much the same on start up volume wise, but once past the cold start cycle the mpe is a bit louder than stock and can be left in sport mode without being too intrusive.

Mppsk - you only really get the pops/crackles in sport mode.

Shamless plug- I do have an mpe in the for sale section (that I'm going to do a significant price drop on, soon as I can decide if I want the carbon or ss tips).

The remap with the mppsk you can notice, but it is very tame.

[apex_crisis_]

Originally Posted by g9icy

The MPPSK is ideal as it keeps the warranty, but I have to leave the house at 5am a lot, so the louder cold start, potential for motorway drone and it being a bit trigger happy on the pops and bangs puts me off the exhaust. Perhaps I could get it done then change the exhaust later, but that's even more money...

Get the mppsk if your car is one of the last pre-opf. MPPSK isn't anti social - unless you want it to be. As for drone, I can't speak for MPPSK but I have a catless downpipe with a straight through midpipe and the stock backbox which gives me almost zero motorway drone. With the basically straight pipe, turning off cold start with a remap is definitely a requirement unless you want to be that neighbour. Not sure how loud it is with MPPSK.

[Two-tone525]

Originally Posted by Londoner

I use BMW too - it's not about the quality though mate, it's the viscosity. There are 4-5 iirc approved B58 oil types, the thicker stuff will make a difference in MPG (and some say even performance figures).

Hi Londoner, when you say thicker stuff I know you're referring to 5w40 vs. 0w30, the former being the 'thicker', but which viscosity actually improves the MPG?

Many thanks for your insight.

[winther1]

Originally Posted by apex_crisis_

Get the mppsk if your car is one of the last pre-opf. MPPSK isn't anti social - unless you want it to be. As for drone, I can't speak for MPPSK but I have a catless downpipe with a straight through midpipe and the stock backbox which gives me almost zero motorway drone. With the basically straight pipe, turning off cold start with a remap is definitely a requirement unless you want to be that neighbour. Not sure how loud it is with MPPSK.

The coldstart became obnoxiously loud about a month after installing the downpipe (not sure why) to the point where car alarms are going off in the underground car park.
Getting BM3 soon though so will be able to turn it off. Until then I am holding down the accelerator a bit until coldstart ends

[Two-tone525]

Originally Posted by g9icy

I've recently joined the B58 club with my 2018 440i GC and would like some advice.

While it's out of its initial warranty, it is AUC and has an extended warranty and with it only having 6k on the clock, it could yet become a lemon, so I'm not keen on the idea of losing the warranty.

However, I'm a little bit annoyed that the engine isn't really at its full potential.

So I have 2 options, the MPPSK which is expensive and by the looks of it quite anti-social, or I can remap it which would void the warranty but is significantly cheaper and keeps the stock exhaust. Admittedly the stock exhaust isn't loud enough when pushing on, but I don't want anything too boisterous.

I'd personally not like to buy a remapped car, so I feel that remapping my own and selling it later down the line is a questionable thing to do, even if I would likely do a conservative map.

The MPPSK is ideal as it keeps the warranty, but I have to leave the house at 5am a lot, so the louder cold start, potential for motorway drone and it being a bit trigger happy on the pops and bangs puts me off the exhaust. Perhaps I could get it done then change the exhaust later, but that's even more money...

What are people's thought's/advice on what to do?

What did you decide to do for your own 40i's, and what were the reasons behind that decision?

Originally Posted by Alscoob

The other option to consider is the Remus exhaust that is also valved and can be fitted to pre & post OPF cars, they do a back box only version, but don't know if its OPF friendly, they don't drone at all so I'm told. Occasionally come up for sale second hand.

This video clip maight help. https://youtu.be/temLGNdtJ4c

Left MPPSK - Right standard, middle Remus - first run in comfort 2nd in sport, quite a good comparison.

Cheers.

The above quote from Alscoob that was posted on the 340i thread I started gives you a good indication of what the differences in sound are.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1833731

I'm a big 'keep it standard' person and you know what, if the car I buy doesn't have an OPF, the OEM MPPSK would be pretty tempting.

It seems to sound like stock when not in Sport. Then really opens up when in Sport. The poor Remus doesn't get a look in as far as I'm concerned.

If it was me it would be MPPSK or standard.

Any droning on the motorway is totally out for me. Pointless having an exhaust that annoys the *rap out of you and can't be used under 'normal' circumstances.

[g9icy]

Originally Posted by Two-tone525

The above quote from Alscoob that was posted on the 340i thread I started gives you a good indication of what the differences in sound are.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1833731

I'm a big 'keep it standard' person and you know what, if the car I buy doesn't have an OPF, the OEM MPPSK would be pretty tempting.

It seems to sound like stock when not in Sport. Then really opens up when in Sport. The poor Remus doesn't get a look in as far as I'm concerned.

If it was me it would be MPPSK or standard.

Any droning on the motorway is totally out for me. Pointless having an exhaust that annoys the *rap out of you and can't be used under 'normal' circumstances.

Thanks!

MPPSK with vavles closed is very close to stock, that's set my mind at ease a bit.

It's really the power gains of the MPPSK I'm after though, as I said, I don't like that the engine isn't at its full potential, knowing the smaller, cheaper M1/240i's have higher power doesn't seem right.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by Two-tone525

Hi Londoner, when you say thicker stuff I know you're referring to 5w40 vs. 0w30, the former being the 'thicker', but which viscosity actually improves the MPG?

Many thanks for your insight.

Correct. The thinner oil will improve your MPG/performance although it obviously means slightly more engine wear.

The recommended B58 oil weight from BMW is 0W-20 (to maximise official MPG stats no doubt). Ultimately, 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-20, and 5W-30 will all work well. Some B58 owners even opt to run 0W-40 or 5W-40.

[beerglass007]

Originally Posted by g9icy

Thanks!

MPPSK with vavles closed is very close to stock, that's set my mind at ease a bit.

It's really the power gains of the MPPSK I'm after though, as I said, I don't like that the engine isn't at its full potential, knowing the smaller, cheaper M1/240i's have higher power doesn't seem right.

The output of the 140i,240i,340i and 440i is the same

The 140i just feels more tuned but isn’t really

[g9icy]

Originally Posted by beerglass007

The output of the 140i,240i,340i and 440i is the same

The 140i just feels more tuned but isn’t really

Just checked, M140i is 335bhp stock, 440i is 322bhp. MPPSK adds ~40bhp to the 3/440i.

I checked on AutoTrader though, so maybe that's not a reliable source?

[Londoner]

You're entirely correct. The M140i and M240i at 335 BHP are tuned slightly differently to the 340i and 440i (326 BHP?) The 540i is also up on the 3 and 4 series.

[Two-tone525]

Originally Posted by Londoner

Correct. The thinner oil will improve your MPG/performance although it obviously means slightly more engine wear.

The recommended B58 oil weight from BMW is 0W-20 (to maximise official MPG stats no doubt). Ultimately, 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-20, and 5W-30 will all work well. Some B58 owners even opt to run 0W-40 or 5W-40.

Wow. BMW recommend 0w20? That viscosity has got a tiny ambient temperature operating window compared to a 0w40 or 5w40.

If BMW are OK with it, I'd probably go with a 0w40 or 0w30 at least.

33 degree ambient temperatures in London on occasion, throw in a load of stop start traffic and you could be at the upper temperature operating window easily just pottering about.

[Two-tone525]

Originally Posted by g9icy

I've recently joined the B58 club with my 2018 440i GC and would like some advice.

While it's out of its initial warranty, it is AUC and has an extended warranty and with it only having 6k on the clock, it could yet become a lemon, so I'm not keen on the idea of losing the warranty.

However, I'm a little bit annoyed that the engine isn't really at its full potential.

So I have 2 options, the MPPSK which is expensive and by the looks of it quite anti-social, or I can remap it which would void the warranty but is significantly cheaper and keeps the stock exhaust. Admittedly the stock exhaust isn't loud enough when pushing on, but I don't want anything too boisterous.

I'd personally not like to buy a remapped car, so I feel that remapping my own and selling it later down the line is a questionable thing to do, even if I would likely do a conservative map.

The MPPSK is ideal as it keeps the warranty, but I have to leave the house at 5am a lot, so the louder cold start, potential for motorway drone and it being a bit trigger happy on the pops and bangs puts me off the exhaust. Perhaps I could get it done then change the exhaust later, but that's even more money...

What are people's thought's/advice on what to do?

What did you decide to do for your own 40i's, and what were the reasons behind that decision?

I saw this ad this morning on Auto Trader. Not the car for me due to it having a fight with the M Sport carbon trim parts department. However, if the dealer is actually correct regarding its age, how is it possible it can have the MPPSK fitted?

"Hertford Car Specialists Is Proud To Present This Beautiful Alpine White BMW 340I Touring With Black Leather, This Vehicle Is Supplied With 2 BMW Remote Key Fobs, 12 Months MOT, BMW WARRANTY TILL FEB 2022, Very High Spec With Over 20K Worth Of Upgrades! Full Genuine BMW Carbon M Performance Kit, 20’’ 405M M Performance Alloys With Nearly New Pirelli P Zero Tyres With 8mm Tread, Heads Up Display, Heated Steering Wheel, Drive Assist Package, ICON LED Headlights, WIRELESS CHARGING, APPLE CAR PLAY ! The Most Important BMW MPerformance Power & Sound Kit MPPSK! Upgraded To 360 BHP, M Performance Exhaust And Much Much More!"

It's on a 68 plate in the ad and they list it as 2019 (68) reg. Curious. Do you think the owner chopped out the OPF? Or could it be a pre June '18 build that wasn't registered until 2019?

That said, there are no actual pictures of the MPPSK, so hard to tell what's fitted.

[Abzynthe]

Originally Posted by Two-tone525

I saw this ad this morning on Auto Trader. Not the car for me due to it having a fight with the M Sport carbon trim parts department. However, if the dealer is actually correct regarding its age, how is it possible it can have the MPPSK fitted?

"Hertford Car Specialists Is Proud To Present This Beautiful Alpine White BMW 340I Touring With Black Leather, This Vehicle Is Supplied With 2 BMW Remote Key Fobs, 12 Months MOT, BMW WARRANTY TILL FEB 2022, Very High Spec With Over 20K Worth Of Upgrades! Full Genuine BMW Carbon M Performance Kit, 20'' 405M M Performance Alloys With Nearly New Pirelli P Zero Tyres With 8mm Tread, Heads Up Display, Heated Steering Wheel, Drive Assist Package, ICON LED Headlights, WIRELESS CHARGING, APPLE CAR PLAY ! The Most Important BMW MPerformance Power & Sound Kit MPPSK! Upgraded To 360 BHP, M Performance Exhaust And Much Much More!"

It's on a 68 plate in the ad and they list it as 2019 (68) reg. Curious. Do you think the owner chopped out the OPF? Or could it be a pre June '18 build that wasn't registered until 2019?

That said, there are no actual pictures of the MPPSK, so hard to tell what's fitted.

It doesn't have the MPPSK fitted. The back box has an Mperformance sticker so can only be an MPE (or just a sticker)

You can see on mine the MP logo is part of the backbox

[g9icy]

Unless it just has the remap + MPE?

I bet they're confusing the M Performance trim + stickers/bling with MPPSK or something.

M-Power-And-Performance-Sticker-Kit.

[Abzynthe]

Thought I'd spruce up my mppsk lol

[Two-tone525]

Originally Posted by g9icy

Unless it just has the remap + MPE?

I bet they're confusing the M Performance trim + stickers/bling with MPPSK or something.

M-Power-And-Performance-Sticker-Kit.

No doubt. Classic trader. As in it's all stickers and trim.