[anielsen71]

Originally Posted by Stainy

Mine's a Vgate

/edit and despite being interested in this and/or a group buy. I won't be buying another adapter on principle. It's not like my gear changes are 'bad' and as Hooded quite rightly points out, I'm not paying a 20% premium on what I already consider an expensive bit of software (ok, I get economies of scale, but £300 to change some table values!)

Just qurious, what World you pay for a ECU tune?
That's also "just" some values changed in some tables.....
Btw, I don't see it at as a problem. You can use a cable instead....

[APJ]

Originally Posted by Stainy

Mine's a Vgate

/edit and despite being interested in this and/or a group buy. I won't be buying another adapter on principle. It's not like my gear changes are 'bad' and as Hooded quite rightly points out, I'm not paying a 20% premium on what I already consider an expensive bit of software (ok, I get economies of scale, but £300 to change some table values!)

There is some kind of collusion going on, but then Thor do their own kind of flashing, with the Thor M Flasher, where they have options to flash gearbox, steering and differential. Though i do think this is only for M cars.

[seenthelight!]

Originally Posted by APJ

So you wouldn't take £40 then ?

For you possibly ! PM me if interested mate

[Rhino at Work]

Originally Posted by Rhino at Work

snip

Q: Will xHP void my OEM or dealer warranty?

A: xHP changes the calibration file on your TCU. Like every other tune on your vehicle, this will very likely void your OEM or dealer warranty, depending on your Country and/or guarantee contract. However, dealer testers are unable to detect xHP. You don’t need to remove xHP, before visiting a dealer.

Thinking about the bit in bold - the fact that the dashboard would show D1, D2 etc would be a bit of a giveaway!

I would definitely reflash back to stock for a dealer visit.

[Stainy]

Originally Posted by anielsen71

Just qurious, what World you pay for a ECU tune?
That's also "just" some values changed in some tables.....
Btw, I don't see it at as a problem. You can use a cable instead....

I already have paid £350 for a remap - it included over 3 hours of someone's time to make a bespoke (admittedly probably mostly based on a generic start point) map for my vehicle and before and after 4x4 dyno runs. the potential market is as big if not bigger (exclusivity) for xHP and they don't have the ongoing overheads of a shop / dyno etc

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a generic gearbox remap, where I apply the map and need all the hardware to apply it......for £300. I realise there is a development cost for xHP, but I'm not massively convinced that's a bargain.

Regardless, I was prepared to do it until I found they also want me to use a WiFi dongle that their best mate happens to market - for another 20%

Yes, I could buy a cable (two cables - assuming my phone will work with the USBC - USB interface, which I'm by no means sure about) - I wont be though.

[anielsen71]

Originally Posted by Stainy

I already have paid £350 for a remap - it included over 3 hours of someone's time to make a bespoke (admittedly probably mostly based on a generic start point) map for my vehicle and before and after 4x4 dyno runs. the potential market is as big if not bigger (exclusivity) for xHP and they don't have the ongoing overheads of a shop / dyno etc

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a generic gearbox remap, where I apply the map and need all the hardware to apply it......for £300. I realise there is a development cost for xHP, but I'm not massively convinced that's a bargain.

Regardless, I was prepared to do it until I found they also want me to use a WiFi dongle that their best mate happens to market - for another 20%

Yes, I could buy a cable (two cables - assuming my phone will work with the USBC - USB interface, which I'm by no means sure about) - I wont be though.

How do you think xHP develop the map?
Without test vehicles? Or without rolling road tests? Or?
I have no idea myself but I expect there are some development hours behind the solutions they offer....
And if it's easy to do, why are they almost the only ones offering this?

[Stainy]

Originally Posted by anielsen71

How do you think xHP develop the map?
Without test vehicles? Or without rolling road tests? Or?
I have no idea myself but I expect there are some development hours behind the solutions they offer....
And if it's easy to do, why are they almost the only ones offering this?

Re-read my post. I've answered all your questions and you've inadvertently reinforced my point - They charge what they want as no-one else is doing it. If/When competition comes the price will tumble. If you have no objection to the price and buying another dongle, go ahead, it's your prerogative. I do, I'm not. That's mine.

[Assassin]

Guys...... there seems to a bit of an over reaction about the cost of the Thor wifi adapter as you can buy a D-can cable for £9 (cheaper if used) and an OTG adapter for £1 on Ebay there is no need to buy the Thor.

If you bought a Samsung phone you probably got a little white OTG adapter with it anyway and others may have included the same.

I have a D-can cable from my 535d M-Sport days and coupled with my Samsung Galaxy S7 and Samsung OTG adapter the Xhp app connects immediately to the car and reads TCU details and error codes without issue. That would suggest that it would flash it ok if I buy the code albeit the manual says it might be a little slower. BUT without relying on wifi it will probably be more reliable as no chance of the signal dropping.

More importantly lets get together and push for the group buy. Its individually licensed but if the developer would agree a price for say 10 and accept deposits (10%?) until we get that number. If we don't those of us that are definitely "in" would just have to pay the full price anyway.

If you genuinely want to get this flash make sure you register your interest for the group buy with Watsey straight away and help provide the volume to gain the developers interest.

[seenthelight!]

I have heard of others using other cables and wi-fi adaptors instead of the Thor. Most initially connected, but many were slow to transfer data and many froze part way through the flashing process and would not complete the flash. All I know is that the Thor is the only adapter guaranteed to work 1st and every time and be the fastest data transfer and most stable connection. Just saying.

[Assassin]

Good to know......what about it you guys that have "flashed".......anyone used the D-can cable method........results / observations?

[djwoodyuk]

Originally Posted by Assassin

Good to know......what about it you guys that have "flashed".......anyone used the D-can cable method........results / observations?

I would also like to know which cheap D-can cables work.
Has anyone got a link to one?

[seenthelight!]

just an update, and to add, if anyone buys the flash and lives near me in west yorkshire (5 mins from j31 m62, or 15 mins from j39 m1) you are more than welcome to use my thor adaptor.

[Digidick]

Originally Posted by seenthelight!

just an update, and to add, if anyone buys the flash and lives near me in west yorkshire (5 mins from j31 m62, or 15 mins from j39 m1) you are more than welcome to use my thor adaptor.

Top man

[APJ]

Originally Posted by seenthelight!

just an update, and to add, if anyone buys the flash and lives near me in west yorkshire (5 mins from j31 m62, or 15 mins from j39 m1) you are more than welcome to use my thor adaptor.

And the same for me, anyone wants to use my Thor adapter in greater manchester 5 mins from junction 20 M62

[Digidick]

Originally Posted by APJ

And the same for me, anyone wants to use my Thor adapter in greater manchester 5 mins from junction 20 M62

and another

[Rhino at Work]

A couple of questions for seenthelight! and APJ please.

How long did the flash take for you?

Did you bother with a battery charger? The Kies Motorsports video suggests its quick enough (5 mins?) such that you wouldn't need to bother.

TIA

[seenthelight!]

Originally Posted by Rhino at Work

A couple of questions for seenthelight! and APJ please.

How long did the flash take for you?

Did you bother with a battery charger? The Kies Motorsports video suggests its quick enough (5 mins?) such that you wouldn't need to bother.

TIA

I didn't bother with the battery charger, figured that with the car being approx 18month old the battery would be ok. It took approx 30 mins to do the initial stuff (upload the standard transmission map and download the xhp) and then 5 mins or so to select the stage map and download. Much quicker and easier than expected, and like I have said before, the best upgrade on the car by far ! Hope this helps.
PS, another friend had had the xhp map done, and he says it's like driving a remapped car, although it is running standard. It really is that good

[charliewaqs]

Been using it a week or two now. Did it using a cable. Took about 10 minutes. Didn't have a charger plugged in.

Comfort mode is better now and Sport/Sport+ is so much fun.

[seenthelight!]

Originally Posted by charliewaqs

Been using it a week or two now. Did it using a cable. Took about 10 minutes. Didn't have a charger plugged in.

Comfort mode is better now and Sport/Sport+ is so much fun.

For the benefit of those that need one, can you post details/link to the cable used please. Btw, which stage did you settle on ?

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by charliewaqs

Been using it a week or two now. Did it using a cable. Took about 10 minutes. Didn't have a charger plugged in.

Comfort mode is better now and Sport/Sport+ is so much fun.

Is that 10 minutes for the initial stuff that takes about 30 mins or so with the Thor wifi adapter?

[seenthelight!]

My mistake, my son who installed it says the initial download took 10 minutes and the installation took a couple of minutes. I blame my age on the confusion!

[APJ]

Originally Posted by Hooded

Is that 10 minutes for the initial stuff that takes about 30 mins or so with the Thor wifi adapter?

It probably takes thirty minutes altogether, ten minutes downloading the information to your device (which is done over the internet) and then five minutes for the flash, any subsequent flash takes less than a minute. You could do it in less time, but obviously you are a little cautious and purposely take your time, ensuring that a daft mistake is not made. I also didn't bother with a battery charger, it had been on a reasonable run, so didn't think any boost was needed.

You do have keep swapping from internet to adapter, as when you open the Xhp app, you have to be on the internet, once its quickly done its stuff and you see basically a big Connect sign, you then connect to the adapter, and then you can flash to your heart's content.