10-30-2015, 08:48 PM | #23 | |
Too much is never enough
655
Rep 3,079
Posts |
Quote:
Again, if all you're doing is a maintenance charge with a tender, then it likely won't cause enough of an issue to notice. But, a deeper charge definitely will, especially if done repeatedly. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-30-2015, 09:16 PM | #24 | ||
Second Lieutenant
76
Rep 288
Posts |
Quote:
Thanks! |
||
Appreciate
0
|
10-30-2015, 09:22 PM | #25 |
Second Lieutenant
76
Rep 288
Posts |
Not to belabor the issue, but I also found this more detailed explanation:
----- IBS MEASURING/EVALUATION FUNCTION The measuring/evaluation function of the IBS electronics, continuously measures the following values under all vehicle operating conditions: Voltage (6V to 16.5V) Current (200A to +200A) Closed Circuit Current (0A to 10A) Starting Current (0A to 1000A) Temperature (-40C to 105C) When the vehicle is stationary, the IBS is programmed to wake up every 14 sec. and makes the required measurements within approx. 50 ms in order to save power. The measured values from the IBS are provided to the DME by way of the Binary Serial Data Interface (BSD) to calculate the State of Charge and State of Health for the battery. State of Charge (SoC) is a calculated condition showing the current charge of the battery. SoC is used during key ?OFF? periods to insure the battery maintains a sufficient charge to start the engine at least one more time. State of Health (SoH) tracks the history of the battery. Charge/dis-charge cycles and times are monitored. SoH helps the DME determine the proper charging rates and anticipated battery life. Internal resistance of the battery is calculated by the IBS from the current and voltage dip during engine start. The values are forwarded to the DME to calculate the SoH of the battery. Software contained in the microprocessor of the IBS utilizes the measured values to calculate the State of Charge (SoC) of the battery during vehicle sleep mode and compares this information with that received from the DME/ECM pertaining to the battery SoC/SoH, during the period of time between engine ?OFF? and deactivation of the DME main relay. The current SoC/battery data is stored in the IBS every 2 hours over a 6 hour time frame, providing 3-2 hour snapshots of battery SoC information. The stored information/snap-shot data is overwritten every 6 hours. Whenever KL15 is activated the IBS updates the DME with the current closed circuit histogram/battery status information, by way of the BSD. Upon obtaining updated information the DME evaluates the new data and if a closed-circuit current draw is identified a fault will be stored in the fault memory of the DME. ----- Given this detail, isn't current draw only one of several measurements being made every few seconds? At rest, with the ignition off, isn't he current draw going to be at its lowest? |
Appreciate
0
|
10-30-2015, 09:26 PM | #26 |
Lieutenant
51
Rep 588
Posts |
The best what you can do is go to your dealer and buy the original charger for your car, check the link
http://www.shopbmwusa.com/PRODUCT/16...nterId=4080801 |
Appreciate
0
|
10-30-2015, 09:35 PM | #27 | |
Too much is never enough
655
Rep 3,079
Posts |
Quote:
And to answer your questions, the IBS measures charge voltage and current. The SOC and SOH are simply calculated from these values. The current draw should be very low when the car is off. One of the primary functions of the IBS is to identify times when the current draw was more than expected so it can store a fault code or display a warning. There are several systems on the car that are energized on a regular basis to assess a multitude of different things (such as, has the car been tagged as stolen). Occasionally something happens that prevents one of these systems from sleeping which results in excessive discharging. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-30-2015, 10:48 PM | #28 |
Private First Class
43
Rep 165
Posts |
If you use a trickle charger you will eventually overcharge the battery and ruin it.
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-31-2015, 07:26 AM | #29 | ||
Lieutenant General
8216
Rep 16,054
Posts |
Quote:
Quote:
|
||
Appreciate
0
|
10-31-2015, 07:10 PM | #30 | |
Private First Class
43
Rep 165
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-31-2015, 09:16 PM | #31 | |
Lieutenant General
8216
Rep 16,054
Posts |
Quote:
http://www.blackanddecker.com/produc...e-charger/bm3b Technically speaking a true trickle charger can have a lower ampere rating, as it's only designed to provide enough current to account for the natural discharge rate of a battery with no load. Today that would apply mainly to a battery left sitting on a bench, or one in a tractor or boat that has no load on the battery when not in use. Modern cars never have no load on the battery, there's always something running that will drain a battery at a faster rate than the battery's own normal discharge over time. With a true trickle charger automatic shut-off isn't necessary, as the low current delivery is always offset by the inherent discharging of the battery. Such devices are very rare today, as electronic regulation is very inexpensive and therefore found in virtually all chargers whatever their current capacity. Last edited by Billfitz; 10-31-2015 at 09:22 PM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-20-2019, 11:23 PM | #32 |
Registered
0
Rep 4
Posts |
How EXACTLY to connect CTEK charger to under hood posts of 330i
Billfitz
Your post was very helpful about permanently connecting a charger to the BMW posts under the hood. I never heard of "split loom" but guess I will need some. I read somewhere that I needed to add a 6 mm bolt to the negative post to connect my CTEK 3300 charger "circle" connector. But what do I need to connect the positive connector? I only found one picture of one inside the red plastic and it looks like I will need a nut of unknown size. Do you know the size? I think I will also need this extension cable to extend to the front grill. https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/cte...IaAleVEALw_wcB This is my wife's new care so I must take great care not to f--- it up. Thanks |
Appreciate
0
|
11-21-2019, 07:19 AM | #33 |
Lieutenant General
8216
Rep 16,054
Posts |
My cable is pretty much the same as the one you linked. The end that connects to my charger runs through the lower grille, held in place with a plastic zip tie. I cut off the connector on the other end. I spliced additional wire to that end of the cable to reach the positive and negative charging posts. I put 'U' connectors at the end of that wire. I created those from a pair of ring connectors, like these:
I loosened the charging posts, slid the U connectors under the posts, then tightened the posts again. You need a T-50Torx bit to loosen the posts. I put an in-line fuse in the positive wire, close to the post. I secured the charger wiring to existing wiring under the hood with plastic wire loom, like this: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Gardner-Ben...B&gclsrc=aw.ds You can see the loom in the negative terminal picture. Disconnect the battery negative terminal when attaching the leads to the posts. After re-connecting the only thing you may have to do is to reset the clock. Last edited by Billfitz; 11-21-2019 at 07:59 AM.. |
Appreciate
0
|
11-21-2019, 07:42 AM | #34 |
Major General
2950
Rep 5,984
Posts |
I use the BMW branded charger on my non BMW car with flooded cell type battery and it works fine. It is an OEM so not made by BMW that makes other battery maintainers under the Deltran brand in the US. Likely in Germany they have a Bosch maintainer they sell at the dealership.
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-10-2019, 07:48 AM | #35 | |
Colonel
136
Rep 357
Posts |
Quote:
Keep in mind that we live in Canada, brutal cold for months, the batteries are nearly completely drained every 5 days of short commuting, and I recall charging the car at -45C for many many many days. no issues. I will buy a new charger, the CTEK, and I will connect it to the front- no issues there. It is very interesting the BMW service centres install them to the battery. Yet, also seen them hood-plugged in showrooms, quite the variety. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-10-2019, 10:23 AM | #37 | ||
Lieutenant General
6659
Rep 15,858
Posts |
Quote:
Quote:
|
||
Appreciate
0
|
12-10-2019, 03:50 PM | #38 | |
Too much is never enough
655
Rep 3,079
Posts |
Quote:
Functionally, there's no issue with charging the battery directly. But it will inevitably alter the car's charging profile over time and, in the end, potentially result in an undercharged state because it has no way of knowing the battery attained it's current level of charge via an external source. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-11-2019, 11:09 AM | #39 |
BMW CCA 69606
86
Rep 225
Posts |
Please post photos of this installation showing both charger connection points. It is possible to install charger at battery and not bypass the IBS functionality.
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-17-2019, 06:34 PM | #40 |
Colonel
136
Rep 357
Posts |
As requested. Does not seem to pass the IBS. Which explains why, if charged at the front, it is green very fast, and, at the rear, takes twice as long. The IBS I think declares it charged at 50-75%. At the battery it charges it to the top.
|
Appreciate
0
|
12-19-2019, 11:33 AM | #41 |
BMW CCA 69606
86
Rep 225
Posts |
Great photos and it's good to see that the dealer did install it correctly.
The trick is to make the (-) connection to the chassis, not the battery terminal. In your photo you can see the copper strip at the (-) terminal. This is a resistor the IBS/DME uses to measure voltage drop. Voltage drop across a known resistance allows DME to calculate the current that enters or leaves the battery. It integrates these current readings over time and can tell how many amp-hours have charged or discharged the battery and the resulting change in the battery's SOC. By knowing how much the battery's SOC has changed the DME can regulate the alternators output to maintain or raise the SOC. If you hookup directly to battery you bypass the IBS monitoring, raise the battery's SOC and run the risk of the alternator over charging the battery until the next sleep cycle determines the battery's SOC. There should be no difference between charging in the trunk or via underhood terminals. Both put charge directly into the battery (via the IBS) and there is no mechanism for the IBS to limit charging in this manner. Not sure why you see a difference in the charge lights. Sounds like your charger shuts off quicker (goes to green) using underhood terminals. Voltage drop from long cables or bad connection(s) underhood may be a factor. |
Appreciate
0
|
12-30-2019, 07:50 AM | #42 | ||
Major General
2950
Rep 5,984
Posts |
Quote:
|
||
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|