[SoonerJohnInDallas]

Originally Posted by Jblack4083

Drivers Assistance Package (ZDA) = Substitute for real driving skills.

How are people passing the road test nowadays if they need that!

That's really a pretty simplistic way to look at it. Regarding the blind spot monitoring, why *wouldn't* you want your car to help make sure there's nobody there before you change lanes???

And as for the lane departure warning, take this example into account: I live in Dallas and drive to Oklahoma for all the home football games. I usually go alone because I meet my brother there and prefer to have the flexibility to do it on my own schedule instead of accommodating somebody else. This season, we have had several games that started at 7:00 pm. After a 4 hour game and traffic leaving Norman, it's already 11:00-11:30 by the time I'm headed home. With the 3 hour drive home, I'm not back home until about 2:00-2:30 in the morning after a long day... So, I ask the same question as before: why wouldn't I want my car to help make sure I don't fall asleep at the wheel and drift out of my lane???

These options are both highly valuable safety features, not "substitutes for real driving skills"!

[soursamo]

I really hope its not another $10k more here in Canada!

[MKParris]

Originally Posted by SoonerJohnInDallas

That's really a pretty simplistic way to look at it. Regarding the blind spot monitoring, why *wouldn't* you want your car to help make sure there's nobody there before you change lanes???

And as for the lane departure warning, take this example into account: I live in Dallas and drive to Oklahoma for all the home football games. I usually go alone because I meet my brother there and prefer to have the flexibility to do it on my own schedule instead of accommodating somebody else. This season, we have had several games that started at 7:00 pm. After a 4 hour game and traffic leaving Norman, it's already 11:00-11:30 by the time I'm headed home. With the 3 hour drive home, I'm not back home until about 2:00-2:30 in the morning after a long day... So, I ask the same question as before: why wouldn't I want my car to help make sure I don't fall asleep at the wheel and drift out of my lane???

These options are both highly valuable safety features, not "substitutes for real driving skills"!

Because if you can't stay in your lane by your own devices, you shouldn't be driving.

[persian54]

Originally Posted by MKParris

Because if you can't stay in your lane by your own devices, you shouldn't be driving.

There are a lot of people who "shouldn't be driving" but are

[Zirenz2006]

So where are the people who said you could get any combination if you didn't get a "line" and started with a base model?

Looks to me if you don't get luxury line, you can't get saddle brown.

So base model means your stuck with beige, black or black with dark oyster (priority 1).

[jzcrna]

Originally Posted by ede92

Personally I would put the 328's premium package cost of $3,600 towards a 335i and skip the premium package there since the important items in the 328 package are already included in the 335i. Then the 335i is only $3,900 dollars more and you get better looking standard model 18" wheels.

Wow, you are so right!!

It makes more sense to get the 335i as long as you are willing to skip the leather. You still get the xenons, anti-theft alarm, lumbar support, moonroof all without ordering the premium package.

I think that you get more bang for the buck with the 335i. the N55 has been around for a couple of years now so I would actually feel better with it.

I cannot wait until the configurator arrives!! It will be interesting to see what happens at the end of next year as I need to wait until then. Ill almost wager that they will have xenons as a stand alone option on the 2013 model.

The bean counters definitely know what they are doing. Im also curious to see how the 2011 535is will be rolling in after taking their huge depreciation hit. I'm impatient though and it is killing me.

[ede92]

Originally Posted by jzcrna

Wow, you are so right!!

It makes more sense to get the 335i as long as you are willing to skip the leather. You still get the xenons, anti-theft alarm, lumbar support, moonroof all without ordering the premium package.

This reduces the $3,900 price difference even further. Almost a wash really. 335 yeah!

You can always get the leather as a separate line item on the 335 for $1,450. A lot of car for the money and no 4-cylinder anxiety.

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by ede92

You can always get the leather as a separate line item on the 335 for $1,450. A lot of car for the money and no 4-cylinder anxiety.

[Mahzari]

Originally Posted by Jason

No photos of F30 in Mineral Gray yet, but here are pics of the F20 1 series in Mineral Gray

See http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=558560

Originally Posted by southlight

Here are some pics (unfortunately a bit blurry):
Best regards,
south

Thank you both, the F30 looks great in that color

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by Mahzari

Thank you both, the F30 looks great in that color

It sure does.

[deshields]

Agreed. Mineral gray is tops

[Jason]

Originally Posted by Mahzari

Can you point me towards any mineral gray photos at all?

Just remembered there's also this image of the Mineral Gray F30, from the production process photos thread.

[jzcrna]

Sorry if this has already been asked. Which colors will be available in the sport line?

Thanks!

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by jzcrna

Sorry if this has already been asked. Which colors will be available in the sport line?

Thanks!

All...check out the ordering guide...you can get any color...there are 2 that are delayed production, and that special blue is m sport only...its on one of the sticky threads

[Jason]

Originally Posted by jzcrna

Sorry if this has already been asked. Which colors will be available in the sport line?

Thanks!

All of them except for Estoril Blue II, which will be exclusive to the M Sport package.

[jzcrna]

Here is an overview that I forgot about. Has interior colors, etc. Also shows Sport line in Mineral Grey.

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=598632

Also, it seems that although most colors are available, only the grays, silvers, black and red will really go with the sport line. Blues are pretty much out of the question, white probably out as well due to the interior limitations in color. That is pretty disappointing.

Then there is the modern package which looks nice, except for those stupid turbine wheels. I did read where you can place the 19" sport style wheels though. The problem with the modern line is that the oyster line is on the seats that you choose. They are almost forcing you to choose a lighter seat color for the modern line.

The base F30 looks blah, so that is what you are left with if you want "more" interior choices. The base body style looks more bland than the late e90 by far IMHO.

They may have messed up this time with these constraints.

[pcbrew]

Originally Posted by jzcrna

Sorry if this has already been asked. Which colors will be available in the sport line?

Check out the visualizer at bmw.com (not bmwusa.com)
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...isualizer.html

M-Sport is only available in limited colors but all other lines are available in all the colors offered.

• Alpine White
• Black Sapphire
• Melbourne Red
• Glacier Silver
• Mineral Gray
• Estoril Blue II (exclusive to M-Sport)

[Mahzari]

Originally Posted by Jason

Just remembered there's also this image of the Mineral Gray F30, from the production process photos thread.

This picture is perfect! Thank you so much

[Pseudo Nim]

Originally Posted by jzcrna

Wow, you are so right!!

It makes more sense to get the 335i as long as you are willing to skip the leather. You still get the xenons, anti-theft alarm, lumbar support, moonroof all without ordering the premium package.

I think that you get more bang for the buck with the 335i. the N55 has been around for a couple of years now so I would actually feel better with it.

I cannot wait until the configurator arrives!! It will be interesting to see what happens at the end of next year as I need to wait until then. Ill almost wager that they will have xenons as a stand alone option on the 2013 model.

The bean counters definitely know what they are doing. Im also curious to see how the 2011 535is will be rolling in after taking their huge depreciation hit. I'm impatient though and it is killing me.

It's funny when manufacturers price the models so close that it becomes a wash. Salesmen have to get creative. I was looking at the C230 vs C300 before I ended up in a 335 (don't ask how that escalated....), and I realised that everything was extra on the 230, and all those same items were standard on the 300 for almost the same price - except you got a much beefier engine. So I ask the salesman - "what possible reason could I have to pay 44k for a 230 with premium package, or 44k for a c300 where it's all already standard - but better engine?"

His reply: "well some people don't need a bigger engine!"

[Pseudo Nim]

What saddens me about these prices is BMW will still price them at 1.4x in Canadian dollars compared to US, even though we've been at par with the USD for several years now.

[Zirenz2006]

Originally Posted by ede92

This reduces the $3,900 price difference even further. Almost a wash really. 335 yeah!

You can always get the leather as a separate line item on the 335 for $1,450. A lot of car for the money and no 4-cylinder anxiety.

Is "4 cylinder anxiety" a defined medical condition?

[ede92]

Originally Posted by Zirenz2006

Is "4 cylinder anxiety" a defined medical condition?

Ha! Yes but symptoms only appear when spending more than $40K on a vehicle