[ReevesBMW]

Originally Posted by turb0mike

What they didn't mention is that it went into limp mode after those 2 laps haha.

Off topic but I like your sig. Any pics of your car?

[BLKBullet]

doesn't really make sense to order the 35 anymore.

does anyone know more about this 340i? when it may be launched etc.

[BLKBullet]

doesn't really make sense to order the 35 anymore.

does anyone know more about this 340i? when it may be launched etc.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

this is all interesting talk ... especially since rumors floated around a few months ago about the upcoming MY13 Msport model having a power bump. BMW squashed the rumor in Detroit but i have to admit that would be expected even if they were to introduce a power bump come June.

As I recall, the rumor of a power increase for the MSport sedan were started by one of the larger magazines. It was never really believeable though, not least because the MSport trim will be available accross the lineup (which even includes cars like the 320d and 320i in some markets - but not Canada's 320i), so a power increase didn't make any sense. They aren't going to increase the power on every single engine. And even if the rumor had been limited just to the 335i, it would remain unconvincing since BMW does not traditionally include engine modifications with the MSport package (and yes I know the old E46 330i ZHP offered in the US did have more power than the standard model, but that predates the proper MSport package in the US).

A much more believeable scenario is a future M Performance model with more power.

June is the start of production for the new coupe and the sedan Msport and thats just around the corner ... coincidence? not sure but definitely raises the antennas that they may be hiding something

If you mean the F32 coupe (which I assume you do - can't imagine what else you'd have been referring to), then you are jumping the gun. That car won't arrive until next year, probably in the late summer to be specific.

Now, it is true that at that time there will likely be a power increase. But just how they decide to play it remains a mystery. For one thing, I don't see the 328i getting more power or a name change to 330i at this time (though in the future that is a good possibility). So already, they will likely be bucking tradition in that regard. We'll have to wait and see what they do with the 335i.

[7or8]

Yeah, something's up. I don't see much room for a car in between the 335 and the M3 as far as power and performance goes. For the a 340i to fit, something's got to give. If they make the 340i too close to the M3, it'll cannibalization the M3's sales. If the 335 is too close to the 340i, the same thing will happen to the 340i.

Bmw has made the 328 a better performer than the last car. They didn't make the 335 more powerful than the last one, it's actually very slightly less powerful than the last one it seems. Also, they didn't bother to modify the chassis and engine layout of the 335 to handle as well as the 328 around a track (which they knew mag reviewers would jump all over). Plus, they're pushing the 328 like no ones business. Bmw is setting us up for something.

I don't think that 335 lovers have anything to worry about. I think something is coming down the line that will make them very happy to trade in their e90 335s. Then they can get back to feeling that high and mightiness they got used to over 328 owners ..lol

[Black Flagged]

with the capability of getting 290 hp from the n20 make the whole 28i line exciting!

[Rolitto]

I prefer the 328i over 335i since the power figures of that 3.0 liter turbo-charged engine is NOT by much higher than the smaller 2.0 liter unit.

[shoptb]

Some of the anti-4-cylinder comments in this forum are humorous to me. Historically speaking, the 3-Series (and predecessor 2002) began with a 4-banger, and although the 6-cylinders have definitely played an exhilarating part of the line...I for one am pretty excited that the 328 is grabbing the positive praise and becoming a more integral part of the line. Performance numbers matching (or exceeding) the 335 with awesome fuel economy to boost....it's hard to knock. Just my $.02.

P.S. - seems like BMW is going to have to up the ante on the 335...kind of like they had to do with the E93 M3 compared to the E92 335...not enough differentiation for the $$

[mkoesel]

Those are good points. And I agree with you - I think something is going to happen soon and it isn't going to be the normal power bump or what we might expect.

I am not ready to believe yet that the 335i will be replaced wholesale by an ///M340i model. And I think a regular series 340i isn't likely based on SCOTTs comment that they are reserving that name for the premium offerings (read 640i and 740i) for now.

It is hard to say how it will play out.

Originally Posted by 7or8

Yeah, something's up. I don't see much room for a car in between the 335 and the M3 as far as power and performance goes. For the a 340i to fit, something's got to give. If they make the 340i too close to the M3, it'll cannibalization the M3's sales. If the 335 is too close to the 340i, the same thing will happen to the 340i.

Bmw has made the 328 a better performer than the last car. They didn't make the 335 more powerful than the last one, it's actually very slightly less powerful than the last one it seems. Also, they didn't bother to modify the chassis and engine layout of the 335 to handle as well as the 328 around a track (which they knew mag reviewers would jump all over). Plus, they're pushing the 328 like no ones business. Bmw is setting us up for something.

I don't think that 335 lovers have anything to worry about. I think something is coming down the line that will make them very happy to trade in their e90 335s. Then they can get back to feeling that high and mightiness they got used to over 328 owners ..lol

[7or8]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

.. I think something is going to happen soon and it isn't going to be the normal power bump or what we might expect.

I am not ready to believe yet that the 335i will be replaced wholesale by an ///M340i model..

I agree. Bmw made a move on the automotive chess board with the F30 line up. There'll probably be a few more before we see what they're really up to.

[catalyst]

Really good points in this thread.

If you were to buy today, I think the 328i is the no-brainer choice compared to the 335i. That was not the case in the previous generation, and I think in 9-12 months the decision will also not be as simple. I do expect BMW to slot something in above the 335i via replacement.

[bmrm396]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

If you mean the F32 coupe (which I assume you do - can't imagine what else you'd have been referring to), then you are jumping the gun. That car won't arrive until next year, probably in the late summer to be specific.

i am referring to the f32 and the reason i say that is because they stop production of the e92/e93 sometime around this June ... so then youre sayin that they wont be producing any coupes/conv for almost a yr? no. im predicting the original timeline people have been referring to is wrong. we will see a coupe the this calendar yr.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=543372

[mkoesel]

Ah, but they key to that thread was this "At Least June 2012". So yes, they will stop production of the MY2012 E92/E93 in June in order to... wait for it... start production of the MY2013 E92/E93.

In other words you've missed the memo. It has already been confirmed that there will indeed be an MY2013 E92/E93.

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=637125

Regarding seeing an F32 this year, you should take a look at the most recent spy shots and compare to the later F30 spy shots. The car is simply nowhere near ready.

Originally Posted by bmrm396

i am referring to the f32 and the reason i say that is because they stop production of the e92/e93 sometime around this June ... so then youre sayin that they wont be producing any coupes/conv for almost a yr? no. im predicting the original timeline people have been referring to is wrong. we will see a coupe the this calendar yr.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=543372

[ATX78703]

Originally Posted by 7or8

Yeah, something's up. I don't see much room for a car in between the 335 and the M3 as far as power and performance goes. For the a 340i to fit, something's got to give. If they make the 340i too close to the M3, it'll cannibalization the M3's sales. If the 335 is too close to the 340i, the same thing will happen to the 340i.

Well, in the ideal world they would a 250 hp version, 350 hp version and a 450 hp version.... which is exactly what they would have if the 335i was uprated. so maybe they'll just leave it alone and make a ///M340i or something that cranks 350??

I can't imagine a uprated N55 or N55tu or whatever going all the way up to 350 hp, without charging an arm & a leg for it (read...///M performance model). The current _40i moniker is 315 hp, which isn't that much of a gain over the n55.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by ATX78703

I can't imagine a uprated N55 or N55tu or whatever going all the way up to 350 hp, without charging an arm & a leg for it (read...///M performance model). The current _40i moniker is 315 hp, which isn't that much of a gain over the n55.

I gather they can't keep using the N54 for emissions reasons, but the 335is, Z4 3.5is and 1M motor makes between 320 and 340 hp, and actually seems to dyno higher than that anyway. So they've proven they can fairly easily do this.

[e46e92love]

This kind of review reminds of why any type of 6-cylinder engine, inline or V, will provide the new ///M3 with many advantages over the current one (which I absolutely LOVE). Being able to get weight reduction up front while pushing it further back behind the front axle will provide a lot of benefits over a larger NA V-8. For sure I will miss the S65, but every day I come closer and closer to the side of the new ///M3 will be a magical car.

The argument of the 328i vs. 335i is similar to the argument of the 740 and 750 that C&D made and I can attest to it being SPOT ON......my father came from a 750Li and chose to go with the 740Li when his lease was up last summer. He had to order a 2012 because he wanted the ARS that many 740s that are on the lots seem to be missing, I guess because people assume ARS means the person wants a sportier car, so they must want the larger engine??? The 740Li Saved him 10k for equally equipped cars, and on a test drive the 740 felt just as powerful as his outgoing 750, and in many ways, a little more spirited. Throw in the fact that we could BOTH feel the extra weight on the 750, he said screw it, I will try it.....and the gas mileage has been a HUGE bonus. Almost 9-months later, we both love his car. Pretty much his 7-series and my ///M3 gives us both the best of both worlds (we live 15 min apart) and exhcange cards regularly. That N55 in that big car shouldn't work......but it does, and so well. You would never know when you drove the car there wasn't an 8 under the hood.

Now he is waiting for me to make my company car an ///M5......then forget it, he will be asking me to exchange every day

The 328i and 528i with the N20 are AWESOME cars....and more importantly, in many ways represent BMW's old philosophies more so than their more powerful brethren. More doesn't always mean better.....

Cheers,
e46e92

[G328i]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

This kind of review reminds of why any type of 6-cylinder engine, inline or V, will provide the new ///M3 with many advantages over the current one (which I absolutely LOVE). Being able to get weight reduction up front while pushing it further back behind the front axle will provide a lot of benefits over a larger NA V-8. For sure I will miss the S65, but every day I come closer and closer to the side of the new ///M3 will be a magical car.

The argument of the 328i vs. 335i is similar to the argument of the 740 and 750 that C&D made and I can attest to it being SPOT ON......my father came from a 750Li and chose to go with the 740Li when his lease was up last summer. He had to order a 2012 because he wanted the ARS that many 740s that are on the lots seem to be missing, I guess because people assume ARS means the person wants a sportier car, so they must want the larger engine??? The 740Li Saved him 10k for equally equipped cars, and on a test drive the 740 felt just as powerful as his outgoing 750, and in many ways, a little more spirited. Throw in the fact that we could BOTH feel the extra weight on the 750, he said screw it, I will try it.....and the gas mileage has been a HUGE bonus. Almost 9-months later, we both love his car. Pretty much his 7-series and my ///M3 gives us both the best of both worlds (we live 15 min apart) and exhcange cards regularly. That N55 in that big car shouldn't work......but it does, and so well. You would never know when you drove the car there wasn't an 8 under the hood.

Now he is waiting for me to make my company car an ///M5......then forget it, he will be asking me to exchange every day

The 328i and 528i with the N20 are AWESOME cars....and more importantly, in many ways represent BMW old philosophies more so that their more powerful brethren. More doesn't always mean better.....

Cheers,
e46e92

great post

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

This kind of review reminds of why any type of 6-cylinder engine, inline or V, will provide the new ///M3 with many advantages over the current one (which I absolutely LOVE). Being able to get weight reduction up front while pushing it further back behind the front axle will provide a lot of benefits over a larger NA V-8. For sure I will miss the S65, but every day I come closer and closer to the side of the new ///M3 will be a magical car.

The argument of the 328i vs. 335i is similar to the argument of the 740 and 750 that C&D made and I can attest to it being SPOT ON......my father came from a 750Li and chose to go with the 740Li when his lease was up last summer. He had to order a 2012 because he wanted the ARS that many 740s that are on the lots seem to be missing, I guess because people assume ARS means the person wants a sportier car, so they must want the larger engine??? The 740Li Saved him 10k for equally equipped cars, and on a test drive the 740 felt just as powerful as his outgoing 750, and in many ways, a little more spirited. Throw in the fact that we could BOTH feel the extra weight on the 750, he said screw it, I will try it.....and the gas mileage has been a HUGE bonus. Almost 9-months later, we both love his car. Pretty much his 7-series and my ///M3 gives us both the best of both worlds (we live 15 min apart) and exhcange cards regularly. That N55 in that big car shouldn't work......but it does, and so well. You would never know when you drove the car there wasn't an 8 under the hood.

Now he is waiting for me to make my company car an ///M5......then forget it, he will be asking me to exchange every day

The 328i and 528i with the N20 are AWESOME cars....and more importantly, in many ways represent BMW old philosophies more so that their more powerful brethren. More doesn't always mean better.....

Cheers,
e46e92

[Singletrack]

Looking forward to driving one of these...

[svache]

In regards to the discussion what BMW is up to by making the 328i so good compared to the 335i, I read an article yesterday (forgot where exactly) which kind of said that it might be possible that they were pushing the 328i a lot harder because they want to have a bigger audience for the ActiveHybrid 3. They kind of speculated that it will be the future to have fuel efficient cars and that BMW wanted to be a big part in that, passing the Japanese competition.

I have no idea if it is likely, but I guess it is as good an explanation as any other. I guess, in the end, we'll have to find out what's really up.

[AlexM]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

...Now he is waiting for me to make my company car an ///M5...

F.ck me!!! awesome

[MKE_M3]

They'll probably come out with a higher perfuming "big" engine choice after the e9X m3 is discontinued. The N55 want really an improvement on the N54, so they are due. After that, should be no comparison between base and "big" engine.