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Read my previous post. It's still adaptive, but the mode you're in determines how much the damping you start with and how much it increases for a given road event.
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Very informative stuff here guys! Thanks!
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I'm in the market for a used F30 and some have the adaptive M suspension and some don't for a similar price point. All things being equal, at this point I'm not sure I'd want the adaptive system or not. I always say I won't mess with the car's suspension, but a few years into ownership I change my mind I won't want to regret the decision either way. |
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Assuming price is equal, I'd say go for the adaptive. You can always swap it out to an aftermarket suspension just like the passive one. But I feel like for the $900 they charge out the door for new adaptive suspension, I would've saved it towards the M perf suspension. The fact is both suspensions are soft. It's just which one will enable you to upgrade the suspension more easily. That would be the passive, but not by a huge margin. You'll just need to get the error lights for the edc coded out unless you go with KWs edc coilovers
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@momo3605 - thanks for the feedback. That was my feeling as well, but it also comes bundled with the variable sport steering and I've seen mixed reviews of that.
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Unless you plan to swap out dampers right away, it's definitely worth getting the Adaptive M Suspension. It controls body pitch/roll better than the passive sport suspension, while at the same time also takes bumps more smoothly. In most situations, when the driver is giving smooth inputs, it is an excellent suspension. When driving aggressively, or on poorly constructed/maintained roads (mid corner bumps, etc.) there is more pitch/roll than I like, but not too bad. My suspicion is that slightly shorter/stiffer springs will match up quite well with the adaptive dampers in sport mode. The Dinan springs and matching bumps stops (which should be released this month) will hopefully hit the nail on the head. When Dinan is able to get past BMW's encryption and release their Shockware (with a revised, firmer Sport mode suspension calibration), then the Adaptive M suspension will hopefully offer the more taut ride that we're all looking for, while still giving the capability to switch to a softer mode for cruising down the highway, etc... This is one of the reasons I wanted adaptive suspension in the first place, so I'm reluctant to replace dampers until I give the Dinan system a chance. But in the event that we want to change to new dampers at some point (M Performance, Coilovers, etc.), this can of course still be done. We lose the adaptive aspect of the stock dampers - as well as the ability to change firmness settings - but it's still doable. In order to avoid EDC error codes, there may be coding options, or as I understand it, KW has a module that can be used (not just with their suspension). I've not heard any negative reviews of VSS - everything I've seen has been unanimously positive... which is another reason to opt for DHP, even if the suspension gets switch out later.
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@DVC, thank you for your reply. Going back on my comment about the variable sport steering, I can't 100% confirm that is was negative on the 3-series; I know other manufacturers have gotten knocked for 'artificial' load off-center that isn't predictable with these systems. If it's good in the 3 then it'll probably be worth it, and I might be confusing reviews.
Excited to learn more about the Dinan system once released. I agree with you that going with the Adaptive M suspension and then the Dinan springs/tuning later might be just about perfect. |
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It's hard to offer a very good answer to specific questions like these without having driven the system to know what's really causing the poor performance. The best I can say is that a slightly stiffer spring (5-10% in rate, <1/2" drop) or 1-2mm larger in sta-bar diameter may help the situation, without sacrificing ride too much, but anything larger than that will likely put the car too far outside the model's parameters, and result in some tradeoffs. Your best bet would be to keep the front to rear spring/bar rate ratio of the stock system.
Sorry I can't be more specific, there's just no DHP cars anywhere near me to test drive. |
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http://www.f30post.com/forums/showth...neven+pavement http://www.f30post.com/forums/showth...neven+pavement Not sure if these problems are on *every* car with Adaptive M and VSS or what, but these threads with no resolution and multiple problem reports can ruin an ownership experience. Do you have these issues? |
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I have experienced nothing of the sort.
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I just installed super sports on my adaptive suspension 435. It works perfectly so far in all settings. No codes or anything as of yet but I only have 30 miles.
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So what is the difference between M Adaptive Suspension and M Dynamic Damper Control on the new F8X M3/M4? Or am I an idiot??
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Different names for the same thing. BMW uses several different suppliers for this technology depending on the platform, so they may have some kind of branding scheme where they call one system Adaptive, and one Dynamic. They are all a bit different in how they work and their capability, but the basic functionality is the same. I could be wrong, but as far as I know, the different terminology doesn't mean anything.
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first, thanks to OP for posting up this review. I never quite understood what's adaptive and passive suspension.
then, one part of your post you mentioned that 18mm increase in rear offset is HUGE and makes a difference. I think a lot of members will put on more aggressive wheel setups once they get their M3/M4. Does this mean that the handling will suck? What would happen if the offset number is lower but the wheel weight is lighter?
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I remember the 1992 F1 season. Williams came out with their adaptive suspension and was crushing everyone. Theirs was tuned for performance and it worked great on the racetrack where it is a very controlled environment UNTIL they hit Monaco which changes from streets to highway, etc. They had to turn it off. I know things are much better now and if I had a 550i or a luxury sedan, I would love this active design but not for my "racecar for the street," Again, I am not shooting the messenger, I am grateful for you post, I'm just concerned because BMW USA just made the Adaptive Suspension mandatory for the USA market. In the past, if someone wanted this type of system it was choice and this choice is being taken away. Thanks |
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What are your thoughts on the application of after-market springs by reputable companies such as H&R, eibach on these highly complex, modern EDC BMW suspension systems? In other words, do you advise against their application since as you say in your post that these configurations are highly complex and subject to behave in very strange, albeit unsafe, ways for the vehicle? Thanks.
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Dinan springs and bump stops going on my adaptive suspension right now. I'll update how it feels later today. Hopefully.
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