[Wills2]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

Whatever you think of the EU, they are good at negotiation... and unfortunately, we're not, in spite of the jingoistic nonsense from Gove, Fox, Davis et al in the aftermath of the referendum. The EU has had the upper hand from the outset with a clear strategy for dealing with the UK which was well communicated and enforced within the EU27 as soon as the result was announced.

Indeed, people forget that the remaining EU countries have the same total GDP as China, so it's like trying to tell them what to do.

In many respects they didn't have to offer anything, we wanted to leave and in what way the leavers managed to extrapolate a vision that included a compliant EU I'll never know, oh yes that was it German cars and prosecco.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by Broncho

I suppose the leavers will have to leave the gammon in the freezer this weekend as all celebrations are on hold

At least they can still buy gammon this weekend, we import about half of the gammon we consume......

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

At least they can still buy gammon this weekend, we import about half of the gammon we consume......

mainly from Denmark who according to the good old internet " was so economically linked to the UK that it joined the EEC in 1973 because the UK did.."

wonder if that feeling still holds true...?

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

mainly from Denmark who according to the good old internet " was so economically linked to the UK that it joined the EEC in 1973 because the UK did.."

wonder if that feeling still holds true...?

Unlikely. Although, been to Copenhagen a couple of times and the residents all speak much better English than the residents of Chesterfield, me included.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Bryans69

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8844851.html

What's really going on, or not, at No 10.

It's for this reason I have little or no sympathy for Theresa May. Without doubt she inherited a poisoned chalice - and was always going to have a very difficult job - but in my view it really didn't need to be the fiasco it's become; however, the more facts that emerge the more it appears her hands are well and truly all over the mess that's been created in the last two and a half years so difficult to have much sympathy for her IMO....

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

Unlikely. Although, been to Copenhagen a couple of times and the residents all speak much better English than the residents of Chesterfield, me included.

to be fair, its not hard (and I include myself in that!).

The Irish also joined in 1973 as they were economically tied to the UK......

[agentorange]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

Whatever you think of the EU, they are good at negotiation... and unfortunately, we're not, in spite of the jingoistic nonsense from Gove, Fox, Davis et al in the aftermath of the referendum. The EU has had the upper hand from the outset with a clear strategy for dealing with the UK which was well communicated and enforced within the EU27 as soon as the result was announced.

See, that's EXACTLY why I was happy to see a leave vote. The EU was enforcing its will on sovereign nations. That dog don't hunt for me.

Many leavers are hard minded enough to trade economic stability for renewed sovereignty. Is there going to be economic hardship bordering on chaos? Yep, probably, but that is a price that many say they are prepared to pay for being able to call themselves British, not European. Time will tell if they are prepared to take the pain.

[zofinger]

Looks like the PM fell on her sword the other night....and has missed.

[225]

Utterly useless bunch of t055ers the lot of them.

[Lincoln61]

What the fuck is wrong with these people? They can negotiate whatever terms of brexit they want (future relationship). Hard, soft, pink or green, it is all on the table AFTER the withdrawal agreement is agreed. Is it just me who has this wrong or are these people clueless?

The clue is in the cocking name!

its an agreement to go shopping.......what we buy is decided when we have actually got to the shop!

[Lincoln61]

Originally Posted by agentorange

See, that's EXACTLY why I was happy to see a leave vote. The EU was enforcing its will on sovereign nations. That dog don't hunt for me.

Many leavers are hard minded enough to trade economic stability for renewed sovereignty. Is there going to be economic hardship bordering on chaos? Yep, probably, but that is a price that many say they are prepared to pay for being able to call themselves British, not European. Time will tell if they are prepared to take the pain.

The EU was not imposing its will on the uk.....We had a veto (as well as a shed load of other special deals!)

In 20 years time when all the younger generation take us back in on less favourable terms, hopefully the leavers will see how short sighted they were.

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by agentorange

See, that's EXACTLY why I was happy to see a leave vote. The EU was enforcing its will on sovereign nations. That dog don't hunt for me.

Many leavers are hard minded enough to trade economic stability for renewed sovereignty. Is there going to be economic hardship bordering on chaos? Yep, probably, but that is a price that many say they are prepared to pay for being able to call themselves British, not European. Time will tell if they are prepared to take the pain.

I think that was just a poor choice of words. I don't recall any of the other 27 countries at any point even hinting that they didn't agree with the EU policy of the 27 club members sticking together for their benefit, whilst the obnoxious pain in the arse member, who always wanted their own way, despite having the best membership package, finally stuck two fingers up and walked out, before walking back in and asking if they could still play....

[zofinger]

Originally Posted by Lincoln61

What the fuck is wrong with these people? They can negotiate whatever terms of brexit they want (future relationship). Hard, soft, pink or green, it is all on the table AFTER the withdrawal agreement is agreed. Is it just me who has this wrong or are these people clueless?

The clue is in the cocking name!

its an agreement to go shopping.......what we buy is decided when we have actually got to the shop!

While 30+ tories voted against it, Labour are just angling for a GE. They might want to be careful what they wish for.

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

Unlikely. Although, been to Copenhagen a couple of times and the residents all speak much better English than the residents of Chesterfield, me included.

I worked in Denmark on and off for a bit. Lovely people, the Danes, f***ing bright and well educated. My friends over there sent their kids to the state schools as they are better than their private schools - speaks volumes
There are more pigs than people in Denmark so I'm sure they'll find other people to sell the main export to if and when we f**k ourselves over with Brexit

[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by RobUK

So it's the 29th today. I hear we're leaving the EU today and through sheer diligence and professionalism our government has secured us a fantastic deal. Here's to a prosperous and happy future.

Wait. What? They had two years and they royally fucked up...?

Are YOU LobB?

[Arcticdan]

Surprise, surprise Corbyn still bellowing for a GE, why doesn't this self serving t**t realise the country is up s**t street and all he is doing is playing party politics to further his own personal agenda at a time when we need serious people working for the good of the country to try and find a solution or compromise to this appalling mess!

[mcoops]

Originally Posted by zofinger

While 30+ tories voted against it, Labour are just angling for a GE. They might want to be careful what they wish for.

Gah, Corbyn. I actually think he cares less about the people in this country than May does. There is literally nothing he won't do to try to get into power. What a contemptible little man, whose limitations make him exceptionally dangerous.

[mcoops]

Originally Posted by agentorange

Many leavers are hard minded enough to trade economic stability for renewed sovereignty. Is there going to be economic hardship bordering on chaos? Yep, probably, but that is a price that many say they are prepared to pay for being able to call themselves British, not European. Time will tell if they are prepared to take the pain.

I don't believe that for a second. My highly scientific poll of leavers identified the following 3 segments:

- Leavers who have enough money not to give a shit
- Leavers who think we will be better off. This includes the lady on Radio 5 who thinks things were better before we joined, when we still had a coal and steel industry, etc. etc.
- 4 other people

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Blacktemplar

Are YOU LobB?

We're all LobB...

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by agentorange

See, that's EXACTLY why I was happy to see a leave vote. The EU was enforcing its will on sovereign nations. That dog don't hunt for me.

Many leavers are hard minded enough to trade economic stability for renewed sovereignty. Is there going to be economic hardship bordering on chaos? Yep, probably, but that is a price that many say they are prepared to pay for being able to call themselves British, not European. Time will tell if they are prepared to take the pain.

What a load of nonsense in one post. Exactly why we're in the mess we're in.

Firstly, we imposed our will on the EU more than any other nation, because we're "special". I would have told us to fuck off years ago.

And the people saying they're willing to pay are all saying it in hindsight. At no point in the referendum did leave ever say the public would have to suffer being worse off for a few years.

Do you honestly think working class voters that can't make ends meet now would have voted leave if they knew they'd have to be even worse off? They were told we'd prosper and have more money, no politician lobbying for leave said until well after the result that we might be worse off.

[Broncho]

Originally Posted by Wills2

We're all LobB...

Some are more LobB than others....

[Lincoln61]

Originally Posted by Wills2

We're all LobB...

I would like to disassociate myself from that statement.